[reallymarkedup]

Originally Posted by jmack123

Sure buddy. You weren’t insinuating EVs are “appliances” and your beloved ICE vehicle isn’t. Sure. We all believe you.

haha, you're adorable

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by jmack123

Sounds like you’re making things up now considering the Model S didn’t come out until 12 years ago.

No one was saying maturity was “5 years out” at that time.

Um, yeah, I mean 10-15 years ago (12 years) people were saying "EVs are going to make everything elae.pbsolete AMD take over within 10 years", before that it was hybrids like the Prius that would make everything else obsolete.

The EV industry as a whole is totally overcome with hyperbole and grand dreams. There's been SO MANY magic bullet battery technologies that were going to make lighter, cheaper batteries with crazy amounts of range. Maybe one will actually come to fruition, but who knows. But I just don't buy into the idea that we're 5 years away from some totally paradigm breaking battery that's cheap and safe, and has incredible energy density, and so on and so forth.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by reallymarkedup

haha, you're adorable

Honestly, between the two of us (go look back at your last two posts including the three para rant), which one do you think is “angry” lmao. You sound like a typical defensive “purist”.

“ItS a uSelEsS aPpLiANcE!”. Lemme guess, you must be a subscriber of SavageGeese? How’s my aim? Lmao. I feel bad. All I can offer is comfort for you - progress is good, everything will be ok.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Um, yeah, I mean 10-15 years ago (12 years) people were saying "EVs are going to make everything elae.pbsolete AMD take over within 10 years", before that it was hybrids like the Prius that would make everything else obsolete.

The EV industry as a whole is totally overcome with hyperbole and grand dreams. There's been SO MANY magic bullet battery technologies that were going to make lighter, cheaper batteries with crazy amounts of range. Maybe one will actually come to fruition, but who knows. But I just don't buy into the idea that we're 5 years away from some totally paradigm breaking battery that's cheap and safe, and has incredible energy density, and so on and so forth.

EVs tripled their effective range in a decade. No need for a “revolutionary” battery disruption. Like I said, an increase of 50% (i.e. 400 on average) in 10 years is an ultra-conservative estimate. They will like be 500+ (as Lucid has demonstrated is already possible). At that point, 99% of drivers will only have to “fill up” once a week at most, and the vast majority of them will do so at home.

Go look at China, they already have 400+ range EVs that charge at 500kw (e.g. Zeekr 001). What does anyone need a PHEV if their EV can travel 400-500 miles? Repairs and refueling costs and will be significantly higher for the PHEV in a far less efficient package. Makes very little sense.

I will acknowledge, for many EVs don’t work right now and PHEVs make sense as an interim solution.

[reallymarkedup]

Originally Posted by jmack123

Honestly, between the two of us (go look back at your last two posts including the three para rant), which one do you think is “angry” lmao. You sound like a typical defensive “purist”.

“ItS a uSelEsS aPpLiANcE!”. Lemme guess, you must be a subscriber of SavageGeese? How’s my aim? Lmao. I feel bad. All I can offer is comfort for you - progress is good, everything will be ok.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by jmack123

EVs tripled their effective range in a decade. No need for a “revolutionary” battery disruption. Like I said, an increase of 50% (i.e. 400 on average) in 10 years is an ultra-conservative estimate. They will like be 500+ (as Lucid has demonstrated is already possible). At that point, 99% of drivers will only have to “fill up” once a week at most, and the vast majority of them will do so at home.

Go look at China, they already have 400+ range EVs that charge at 500kw (e.g. Zeekr 001). What does anyone need a PHEV if their EV can travel 400-500 miles? Repairs and refueling costs and will be significantly higher for the PHEV in a far less efficient package. Makes very little sense.

I will acknowledge, for many EVs don’t work right now and PHEVs make sense as an interim solution.

China lies relentlessly. A 400 mile range Chinese EV is really a 150 mile range car at best. But a battery or flashlight from a Chinese company and fact check them if you need more proof.

That said, a 2014 Model S had 260 miles of range per Tesla. A 2024 has 400. That's not triple but is a sizeable increase. They accomplished that partially by increasing battery size from 85 kwh to 100 kwh. Thats not to discount that they did improve range, but it didn't triple, and that's still a $100k car.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by reallymarkedup

You seem to be defensive over something you read into that. I wasn't implying EVs as being more or less an appliance than any other car. You and Luis obviously have some skin in the game, I get it.

You need to get over the fact that some people are enthusiastic about EVs.

[Alpine Wait]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

You need to get over the fact that some people are enthusiastic about EVs.

Both of my EVs are more fun to drive than my G01 M40i. By far.