[IanH]

Originally Posted by Jayphil

I am suprised of this use case of cross climate. They were built for those that do not want to change tire in the winter vs summer. They will performed ok in Winter probable even with some lower quality winter tires or similar than good brand tires of some generations back but will never be as good as newer Xice snow or Alpin meant just for winter… so why run these if they are dedicated to winter tires?

My high level recommendation but depends of more precise use is.

If you run summer tire (4S) go with Alpin winter unless you want best winter capability and can sacrifice some driving characteristics then go xice.

If in summer you run all seasons then go with xice.

If you do not care about top performance in summer and winter and if you prefer to have one set of tire, go cross climate.

I guess you've never used CC2s? they are excelent in the snow and leave little extra performance to be desired. In places where snow does not stay on the road running true winters is complete overkill. Winter tires are much worse on the dry pavement performance metrics than 4 season tires.

For a long time 4 season tires didnt exist, nowadays unless you actually frequently drive on actual snow surface weekly or more, 4 season tires make way more sense.

[Jayphil]

Originally Posted by IanH

I guess you've never used CC2s? they are excelent in the snow and leave little extra performance to be desired. In places where snow does not stay on the road running true winters is complete overkill. Winter tires are much worse on the dry pavement performance metrics than 4 season tires.

For a long time 4 season tires didnt exist, nowadays unless you actually frequently drive on actual snow surface weekly or more, 4 season tires make way more sense.

Ok I understand your use case of cross climate for someone living not too much in the north but will see some some snow/ice once in the while so cannot keep the P4S during that time. I agree that Alpin would be overkill and not last long. I was just sharing what Michelin recommends but I also said that it depends on more specific use case, it is never black or white.


For anybody living in the north like me in Canada a real winter tire is better and this is why I run P4S summer and Alpin winter.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by Jayphil

Ok I understand your use case of cross climate for someone living not too much in the north but will see some some snow/ice once in the while so cannot keep the P4S during that time. I agree that Alpin would be overkill and not last long. I was just sharing what Michelin recommends but I also said that it depends on more specific use case, it is never black or white.


For anybody living in the north like me in Canada a real winter tire is better and this is why I run P4S summer and Alpin winter.

I'm in the boston area, and range up to northern new england in the winter for skiing. My CC2's on our SUV drive just as good as my Hakka R2's and other performance winters did. Blast through deep snow (2ft+) no problem, driving on snow covered roads at good speed without loss of control.

But down here in MA we havent had a lot of snow, climate change has drastically changed our winter weather. For the past 3 or 4 years we barely have more than 1 or 2 days a year with snow on the roadways that isnt plowed off in 24hrs.

[hazard777]

Originally Posted by M240SLC

I took mine back to the dealer, because this shitbox is busted again.

why, what happened?

[aguycalleddb]

Originally Posted by Jayphil

I am suprised of this use case of cross climate. They were built for those that do not want to change tire in the winter vs summer. They will performed ok in Winter probable even with some lower quality winter tires or similar than good brand tires of some generations back but will never be as good as newer Xice snow or Alpin meant just for winter… so why run these if they are dedicated to winter tires?

My high level recommendation but depends of more precise use is.

If you run summer tire (4S) go with Alpin winter unless you want best winter capability and can sacrifice some driving characteristics then go xice.

If in summer you run all seasons then go with xice.

If you do not care about top performance in summer and winter and if you prefer to have one set of tire, go cross climate.

I chose to go with all seasons in case I cannot afford the summer wheels I want when the time comes next year, this way I have a good quality set of tyres that will last the full year. The Crossclimate 2 are different for EU to USA and suit the conditions here best.

[IanH]

Bought myself some more mods

Dinan black Friday sale, springs, bump stops and radiator upgrade.

RW carbon mirror caps to go with my ali special smoked progressive turn signals.

Making progress on my skid plate mesh install, but Amazon stiffed me on my washers delivery gonna have to get raked over the coals for ss washers at home depot....

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by IanH

Bought myself some more mods

Dinan black Friday sale, springs, bump stops and radiator upgrade.

RW carbon mirror caps to go with my ali special smoked progressive turn signals.

Making progress on my skid plate mesh install, but Amazon stiffed me on my washers delivery gonna have to get raked over the coals for ss washers at home depot....

Congrats

[MPR]

@IanH Amazon stiffed you on washers entirely or just delayed? Lol at getting raked over coals at home depot. Buy the rubber spacers from Amazon instead?

[IanH]

Originally Posted by MPR

@IanH Amazon stiffed you on washers entirely or just delayed? Lol at getting raked over coals at home depot. Buy the rubber spacers from Amazon instead?

Unclear, but they say they won't arrive for 4 more days which sometimes means the package isnt coming ever.

Skidplate must go on tomorrow, if I have to find suitable replacements locally I will.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by IanH

Unclear, but they say they won't arrive for 4 more days which sometimes means the package isnt coming ever.

Skidplate must go on tomorrow, if I have to find suitable replacements locally I will.

Gotcha, Amazon is getting less consistent with meeting the advertised delivery time on items. Pretty frustrating when it holds up a project. Out of my last 10 orders i had 3-4 of the items get delayed.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by MPR

Gotcha, Amazon is getting less consistent with meeting the advertised delivery time on items. Pretty frustrating when it holds up a project. Out of my last 10 orders i had 3-4 of the items get delayed.

It goes in waves for me, but it is reliably unreliable between now and Christmas since last year. Happens more with small stuff for me also, it's like they intentionally deprioritize low dollar items since it doesn't impact them as much when they are lost or canceled.

[azrrob]

Originally Posted by IanH

I'm in the boston area, and range up to northern new england in the winter for skiing. My CC2's on our SUV drive just as good as my Hakka R2's and other performance winters did. Blast through deep snow (2ft+) no problem, driving on snow covered roads at good speed without loss of control.

But down here in MA we havent had a lot of snow, climate change has drastically changed our winter weather. For the past 3 or 4 years we barely have more than 1 or 2 days a year with snow on the roadways that isnt plowed off in 24hrs.

I'm in Massachusetts as well. When salesman asked me why I went for the "tire and coolant" package, I, 'tongue in cheek,' mentioned climate change and traffic jams LOL. I assumed he thought I was too old for tracking the car. After a good laugh I reminded him that I was keeping my Audi S3 with its' All Seasons.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by azrrob

I'm in Massachusetts as well. When salesman asked me why I went for the "tire and coolant" package, I, 'tongue in cheek,' mentioned climate change and traffic jams LOL. I assumed he thought I was too old for tracking the car. After a good laugh I reminded him that I was keeping my Audi S3 with its' All Seasons.

Funny how these sales guys dont even know enough about cars in general or the cars they sell to know why any discerning buyer would choose the ZTK package.

I enjoyed how I did my purchase entirely over text and email. Only had to endure the dealership in person experience for about 1 hour.

[bungleaio]

Collected my G42 from the dealer today after having all four discs along with pads changed under warranty. I'm surprised they all warped as was the dealer considering it's not quite on 3.5k miles and it's only been on the road for 3 months.

[cannockwolf]

My door locking mechanism was frozen today and would shut propery, it's only -3*C and the comfort access wouldnt work, had to use the fob.

[IanH]

Installed my winter set with 75 miles on the clock.

Superspeed RF05RR in 19x8.5 et 25 with Pirelli Cinturato Weatheractive 245/40/19 tires on all four.

Suprisingly less monster truck than I had anticipated going up an aspect on tires. Will look killer onces the springs are in.







Still debating spacers in winter mode, but will install those later on. It could use them.