[NickJebbs]

Originally Posted by Eddie2315

so G87 makes more whp than a base G80 is that what i am seeing? I thought a base G80 made about 463ish?

Well the G80 base is listed at 472 but there are plenty videos like this one where the G80 was put on a dyno and puts out substantially more power

[DailyDownshift]

Fresh off the press! Here's the Dyno chart from the video posted in this thread, let me know if ya'll have any questions. Used 94 octane gas from Petro Canada.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

How much is a new 911?
What size turbo is on a Cayman?
How long will it take to get a Porsche and how much mark up are you paying?
And don't come talking about used because that's not what we're talking about here at all

I could care less about back seat usability etc. That's what the daily driver is for.

I've already done the turbo four. For years lol. So unless it's the GTS I don't want it. Now we're at $95K base. Cheapest 911 is $114. Both are a bit away from $62 base.

Look, you can distill it down and look at it in a bubble if it makes you feel better. A 911 has always been more expensive. That is nothing new; Porsche has always been a “pay-to-play” brand relative to BMW. The wait time/mark-ups weren’t an issue pre-pandemic. The focus was on your statement about people who buy sports coupes and care about the presence of back seats. You assert that everybody should be buying two-seaters when two-seaters aren’t practical for most people. A Porsche works for you. Awesome! A Porsche as a play car works for me. Great! A Porsche or other two-seater doesn’t necessarily work for others.

….and what does a Cayman and a turbo have to do with anything???

[yousefnjr]

Well bmw did make an M coupe for a few years, and the dozen people that bought them wish they would make some more

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Boogie2121

Lol you m2 guys love thinking about the M3/M4 every minute of the day. I think the sales guys who can’t get an allocation for a set of cars 3 years into production will be fine.

How many dealerships have you talked to? There have been plenty of open allocations since I started looking last Nov through Feb.

[Boogie2121]

Originally Posted by zero21

How many dealerships have you talked to? There have been plenty of open allocations since I started looking last Nov through Feb.

You can head over to the G82 forums and see the difficulty. A lot of people waiting a long time…

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Boogie2121

You can head over to the G82 forums and see the difficulty. A lot of people waiting a long time…

I've been living there on and off since Nov. It seems to me more production, supply chain and transport issues than actual allocations. Anyway

[eljay]

Originally Posted by Squidget

470 at the wheels, 410 tq. Amazing value for dollar. And so much mod potential.

If I was at BMW and was responsible for M3/M4 sales, I'd be kinda pissed right now.

I think they will be fine.

911s are still selling despite Caymans hanging around.
Some folks just want a bigger car.
Personally, I prefer M2 over M4 and Cayman over 911 and would take RS4 Avant over RS6 Avant etc. I don't care what the glossy brochure says nor that a Camry can beat me at a stop light.

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Fresh off the press! Here's the Dyno chart from the video posted in this thread, let me know if ya'll have any questions. Used 94 octane gas from Petro Canada. Attachment 3158316

Nice power. But guys, look at the correction factor used. You are aware arent you that STD is an optimistic correction factor, and that if you really want an accurate dyno run, you have to use the SAE correction factor. STD inflates the result.

[DailyDownshift]

Originally Posted by boostm3

Nice power. But guys, look at the correction factor used. You are aware arent you that STD is an optimistic correction factor, and that if you really want an accurate dyno run, you have to use the SAE correction factor. STD inflates the result.

Honestly can't debate this with you, not well versed on it. I just chose a reputable shop with a dynojet and showed up with my car. For what it's worth, I dyno'd my M2 comp at this same shop in similar conditions with the same 94 octane fuel, and got just shy of 400whp. So apples to apples the G87 made 70whp more than my f87 m2 comp.

[boostm3]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Honestly can't debate this with you, not well versed on it. I just chose a reputable shop with a dynojet and showed up with my car. For what it's worth, I dyno'd my M2 comp at this same shop in similar conditions with the same 94 octane fuel, and got just shy of 400whp. So apples to apples the G87 made 70whp more than my f87 m2 comp.

Point taken.. Just sayin', next time you go to the dyno, just ask the operator to set the correction factor to SAE for a more accurate result. If interested, you can read more about it here:

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/gh...el-horsepower/

[mirob]

Originally Posted by zero21

How many dealerships have you talked to? There have been plenty of open allocations since I started looking last Nov through Feb.

And yet, you didn't get one? Your story checks out.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by mirob

And yet, you didn't get one? Your story checks out.

I wanted a two door more than a four door, and the M4 is pointless IMO next to an M2. That has nothing to do with M3 allocations I was referring to.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by zero21

I wanted a two door more than a four door, and the M4 is pointless IMO next to an M2. That has nothing to do with M3 allocations I was referring to.

Would you be so kind and share these allocations with your fellow brethren on the G80/G82 boards? There are plenty of people over there who would love to get their hands on some, ESPECIALLY G80 ones, without having to pay ADM or a broker.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by mirob

Would you be so kind and share these allocations with your fellow brethren on the G80/G82 boards? There are plenty of people over there who would love to get their hands on some, ESPECIALLY G80 ones, without having to pay ADM or a broker.

There's a list of dealers in our general area regarding which ones are good, bad and ugly. Call the ones recommended and I'm sure you'll find an open spot.

[Gdiddy23]

Originally Posted by werdn

How is it? I recently discovered that I can get a used one for around 60-80k. I was actually comparing it with the 982 Cayman GT4, not the M2. Is the mustang interior as bad as they say?

I think I like it more than the GT4 because I feel like the GT350R provides more fun on the regular streets, even when you are not bashing it. Plus I like the 8250 rpm V8.

The Shelby interior isn’t anything to ride home about but I think it fits the GT350R well as it’s more of a sparse interior and I think it fits the car’s personality quite well IMO. It doesn’t try to be something it’s not and is more focused around the driving experience than anything. The M2 is going to have a way better interior but it’s also 7-8 yrs newer and will have way more tech.

So if you want more creature comforts and a back seat, M2 would be the way to go. But I think the GT350R will always retain its value and then some for years to come. Same may be said for the M2 but too early to tell

[Sonic RR]

Originally Posted by prei1978

I disagree. I’m still waiting on my M3 as it delivers on a bunch of levels: more power and performance, more space, more customization options. I feel like the M2 and M3 are well positioned in different segments and will attract different people.

100%

[AndroidRobot]

I think the car is fine, a bit heavy, but that’s what we have to deal with these days unfortunately. The only way to avoid this is by buying a purpose built sports car you can’t avoid it. Most cars share a platform with others, therefore they need to work with existing parts, weight issues etc. I wish the G87 wasn’t as heavy, it has a lot of potential. They needed to give it more power to offset how heavy it is. A 718 GTS (soft top or hard) will win any day despite having elss power and torque. Those 500lbs less make a huge difference in terms of driving, at least from the enjoyment side.

I don’t think there’s a wrong car, each has their own buyer and I think the good to know that.

[Chet for short]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Apologies if this has been posted, didn’t see it on here but shit happens so fast and deep around these parts…

470 whp
3762 lbs

TR adds a few WHP

[Chet for short]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

A few of us have kids and as a restaurant owner I really appreciate the fold down seats for supply runs.

I can fit (1) of my bikes inside of my 135i with the back seats folded. That's a requirement for me. Also, I love the sunroof. The Cayman is a great sports car. The M2 is a great sports coupe.