[cmgbk75]

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Apologies if this has been posted, didn’t see it on here but shit happens so fast and deep around these parts…

470 whp
3762 lbs

[Squidget]

470 at the wheels, 410 tq. Amazing value for dollar. And so much mod potential.

If I was at BMW and was responsible for M3/M4 sales, I'd be kinda pissed right now.

[Eddie2315]

so G87 makes more whp than a base G80 is that what i am seeing? I thought a base G80 made about 463ish?

[Boogie2121]

Originally Posted by Squidget

470 at the wheels, 410 tq. Amazing value for dollar. And so much mod potential.

If I was at BMW and was responsible for M3/M4 sales, I'd be kinda pissed right now.

Lol you m2 guys love thinking about the M3/M4 every minute of the day. I think the sales guys who can’t get an allocation for a set of cars 3 years into production will be fine.

[prei1978]

Originally Posted by Squidget

470 at the wheels, 410 tq. Amazing value for dollar. And so much mod potential.

If I was at BMW and was responsible for M3/M4 sales, I'd be kinda pissed right now.

I disagree. I’m still waiting on my M3 as it delivers on a bunch of levels: more power and performance, more space, more customization options. I feel like the M2 and M3 are well positioned in different segments and will attract different people.

[werdn]

While the WHP and slightly lower weight is great, how does Porsche keep its 718 weight so low? Even with weight reduction, I doubt the M2 can cut 400lbs.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Eddie2315

so G87 makes more whp than a base G80 is that what i am seeing? I thought a base G80 made about 463ish?

Numbers that close, you would have to put them on the exact same dyno on the same day to really tell. Temperature, altitude, humidity etc all play a role in the dyno readings and engine output.

[spxxx]

Originally Posted by werdn

While the WHP and slightly lower weight is great, how does Porsche keep its 718 weight so low? Even with weight reduction, I doubt the M2 can cut 400lbs.

400lbs is definitely doable on any modern car if you're willing to sacrifice everything that makes it a luxury car. Most of the track guys I know who are into serious weight reduction have cut 350+ lbs from all of the modern M3 gens with ease (just takes time and money).

[jmg]

Originally Posted by werdn

While the WHP and slightly lower weight is great, how does Porsche keep its 718 weight so low? Even with weight reduction, I doubt the M2 can cut 400lbs.

The 718 is mid engine. So the driveshaft is shorter. It’s also smaller overall and doesn’t have rear seats.

[werdn]

Originally Posted by spxxx

400lbs is definitely doable on any modern car if you're willing to sacrifice everything that makes it a luxury car. Most of the track guys I know who are into serious weight reduction have cut 350+ lbs from all of the modern M3 gens with ease (just takes time and money).

Just to be clear, I'm not bashing the M2's weight. But I was looking at getting a GT350R. I was reading forums of it compared to a Cayman GT4, and people were mainly talking about how big and heavier it was (~3600-3700lbs). I was also looking up some weight reduction threads for the GT350R, and it seems like it can cut ~400lbs by replacing all panels with CF, and that costs $60k.

I guess the M2 can do an interior strip, and some CF parts, but you are right, that it will be hard to live with. Which is also why I am wondering how Porsche manages to do it, while staying livable.

[Boogie2121]

Originally Posted by jmg

The 718 is mid engine. So the driveshaft is shorter. It’s also smaller overall and doesn’t have rear seats.

As I’ve been toying with getting a G87, I’ve been thinking so hard about why they couldn’t design this without the rear seat. That whole function has to be around 200 lbs.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by Boogie2121

As I’ve been toying with getting a G87, I’ve been thinking so hard about why they couldn’t design this without the rear seat. That whole function has to be around 200 lbs.

Because they know the rear seat is why they have so many customers, if someone doesn't want a rear seat they'd get a cayman. Bmw knows that.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by Squidget

470 at the wheels, 410 tq. Amazing value for dollar. And so much mod potential.

If I was at BMW and was responsible for M3/M4 sales, I'd be kinda pissed right now.

Completely different cars for completely different owners/drivers. Comparing output specs really misses a lot

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Boogie2121

As I’ve been toying with getting a G87, I’ve been thinking so hard about why they couldn’t design this without the rear seat. That whole function has to be around 200 lbs.

The G80 rear seats weigh about 50lbs. I’m guessing the G87 are just a little less than that. Anyone you notices 50lbs of weight savings isn’t driving it on the street, but the track going 10/10ths. I bet less than 5% of M2 owners will track their car, and a majority want a back seat.

It’s fairly easy to remove the seats yourself anyway. Takes maybe 10-15 minutes.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by werdn

I guess the M2 can do an interior strip, and some CF parts, but you are right, that it will be hard to live with. Which is also why I am wondering how Porsche manages to do it, while staying livable.

Smaller cars, sometimes higher base price, more expensive options (which can subsidize the base price).

So... different goals, different target audience, different pricing structures.

BMW and Porsche seem to carefully define their offerings to avoid a clear overlap. It's hard to find apples-to-apples. The M2 doesn't really complete with a Cayman (different form factor), and definitely not with a Carrera (costs about twice as much).

[hufington]

This is one great engine!

[Rhdlife]

As always BMW is underrated, definitely room for some serious potential. Can’t wait to see people chase records with it.

[10"]

Originally Posted by werdn

While the WHP and slightly lower weight is great, how does Porsche keep its 718 weight so low? Even with weight reduction, I doubt the M2 can cut 400lbs.

again the 718 is a different class of car—not sure why peeps compare the M2 to it.

wheelbase of a 718 is 97 inches
wheelbase of an M2 is 108 inches.

That’s why a 718 weighs 3000 lbs.

[gemini.m3]

Originally Posted by Squidget

470 at the wheels, 410 tq. Amazing value for dollar. And so much mod potential.

If I was at BMW and was responsible for M3/M4 sales, I'd be kinda pissed right now.

Different strokes for diff folks - when I went from my f80 m3 comp to an f87 m2 cs, I felt I had to convince several people it wasn't a "downgrade" - and that was for a special edition m2. Unfortunately, for better or worse the majority of the population view the m2 as the entry level budget baby M.

Now, enthusiasts have a diff view for the most part, at least the ones in the BMW community. I'm liking what I see from the m2, but I won't be moving down to one and I think the m3 sales will be just fine, it is and will always be the "flagship" m car

Anyway, its nice to see the output of power here. I wonder if the LCI m3 is going to get a bump and that's why this is flying so close to the sun.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by 10"

again the 718 is a different class of car—not sure why peeps compare the M2 to it.

wheelbase of a 718 is 97 inches
wheelbase of an M2 is 108 inches.

That’s why a 718 weighs 3000 lbs.

Which is why if I didn't need a back seat I'd be looking at it.

[DailyDownshift]

Originally Posted by cmgbk75

Apologies if this has been posted, didn’t see it on here but shit happens so fast and deep around these parts…

470 whp
3762 lbs

Hey, thanks for posting! Somehow made it on the front page too, this is awesome

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by gemini.m3

Unfortunately, for better or worse the majority of the population view the m2 as the entry level budget baby M.

100%!