[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by clydefrog

If a turkey hit OPs car I think he wouldn't be as flabbergasted at the results here.. the issue is that it's just a (relatively) small rock strike that he didn't even notice while driving until it was too late to do anything about.

People just want protection from something that should be a benign event destroying their engines. They shouldn't be expecting these aftermarket parts to suddenly make the oil cooler to be invulnerable.

I'm not concerned about the front radiator because lots of cars have pretty exposed front radiators. This underneath cooler is not as usual to have on cars and seems to be more vulnerable to damage just by being there, either from rock strikes, curbs, or parking stops.

i hear you, my point was "shit happens, and you can mitigate but ultimately nothing can be promised." like many of us, i did my research on the platform and knew of this issue on F8X and now G8X cars before i made my decision to buy. I knew a skid would help, a lot, but ultimately you run a risk with the design BMW went with. i did my internal calculus and decide the risk would probably be sufficiently mitigated to my liking with a combination of simple modification and careful driving.

really sucks this happened to OP but its a result of a series of decisions i, personally, would not have made. as for the turkey, there was NOTHING i could have done to mitigate that. at least with this issue we have some reasonable steps to be taken.

[xps]

Small update-
They changed the claim to comprehensive from collision which makes sense. They also mentioned the total loss threshold is 70%. Now waiting on the adjuster to go checkout the vehicle and provide the final verdict

[VTX3]

https://www.classaction.org/mercedes...oblem-lawsuits

Similar thing is happening with Mercs and there is a class action lawsuit. No idea if Merc has started providing some protection on newer models.

[Bumpinjeep]

And just like that, the Mishimoto skid plate is out of stock. I emailed them a link to this thread. Hopefully the OP can get a discount code or something.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by clydefrog

I'm not concerned about the front radiator because lots of cars have pretty exposed front radiators. This underneath cooler is not as usual to have on cars and seems to be more vulnerable to damage just by being there, either from rock strikes, curbs, or parking stops.

Yes, the front radiators and heat exchangers are not as critical if they get damaged. Those are for the engine coolant and transmission if equipped with AT. If you get a puncture in those, you'll get a warning of the engine overheating and have more time to pull over and turn off the engine. The oil cooler however is the lifeblood of the engine, if you lose oil pressure you not only overheat the engine, but it destroys itself due to lack of lubrication to moving parts. That said, I still think the BMW bean counters are aholes for not protecting those on the G87 but they are on G80/2.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by xps

Small update-
They changed the claim to comprehensive from collision which makes sense. They also mentioned the total loss threshold is 70%. Now waiting on the adjuster to go checkout the vehicle and provide the final verdict

It would be a real shame if some dump truck 'accidentally' smashed into it while parked outside, wouldn't it?

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

And just like that, the Mishimoto skid plate is out of stock. I emailed them a link to this thread. Hopefully the OP can get a discount code or something.

Also out of stock on Amazon now, they were holding some inventory directly (sold by Amazon).

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by xps

Small update-
They changed the claim to comprehensive from collision which makes sense. They also mentioned the total loss threshold is 70%. Now waiting on the adjuster to go checkout the vehicle and provide the final verdict

Good for you OP. At least that should help your deductible. I don't know how the insurance company wouldn't try to go after BMW for it, but I guess 50k for them is a drop in the ocean. Hopefully you get your car back on the road soon enough and enjoy it. Souring experience for sure. I wouldn't blame you if you looked elsewhere for your next car. I know I would if this happened to me.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Unfortunately, some are taking the guards as a piece of mind that they are safe (as Ronco said, set it and forget it), but those screens/guards are in no way a guarantee of safety/no damage. I can just imagine the first issue that arises to someone who had the screen installed, its really gonna be a shit show.

You'd have to hit something pretty substantial for it to damage the screen and the oil cooler, and you'd likely have a lot more front end damage.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

You'd have to hit something pretty substantial for it to damage the screen and the oil cooler, and you'd likely have a lot more front end damage.

Again, that screen is close enough to the cooler (and its just a stainless steel screen so it will flex) and you hit a hunk of Iron, steel, concrete or rock that is fist size or so and at highway speeds, that screen damn sure will flex and the chances the object makes contact with the cooler are pretty good. I dont care if you dont believe. We all have our opinions and if you are comfortable with the screen, than that is your choice (I have not criticized anyone for their choice but given opinions based on the product).

[xps]

Originally Posted by M2siast

One thing also to remember is that we’re conjecturing this was a “small rock”.

It seems to me like this is more road hazard than a flying pebble. Such as a bigger rock that the car failed to clear, or a shredded tire strip, as the metal in the tire would be very powerful against the radiator (and be dragged to smash it in two points).

Or maybe a bumper piece of some car left on the road, things like that.

Point is, sure protection is great, but give it enough, and nothing can really protect you fully (flying turkey included).

Possible, but it is hard to believe that one of your examples didn't touch any other part of the car including the front bumper, front portion of the radiator, plastic protection behind the cooler area.

I still think something bounced off the road and caused the damage.

It doesn't matter and I get your point, but what I think bmw should have done is some research and determined a minimum protection design that atleast covers 95th%ile of all possible hits. Here they just left out completely open to the probability of getting hit and not the probability of the protection protecting he cooler because there is none.

[Tag]

Single dudes, you should never hook up with anyone you just met even if you use protection. Because it's not absolutely guaranteed to keep you 100% safe and is no better than raw doggin' it.

[sclui56]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

The ZTK package is not a very common option. It’s the “high performance track package” that adds the underbody oil cooler, wider wheels, and some other performance related enhancements. I’ve only ever heard of it on factory ordered cars. Your average Susan getting a lease special M340i or X3 M40i isn’t going to pay $3,000 more for it. Hell, they can’t even bother to option summer tires on those cars. They all come with narrow Pirelli all-season run flats.

You are probably correct on the ZTK pack. However, on the G42 version, the factory didn't even see fit to install the plastic cover over the cooler like what we have (better than nothing).

I ordered my daughter's G42 last year this time and received the vehicle this April. We ordered the package NOT for the cooler but for the wheels/tires/stick-on fender lip, that's the only way to get what she wanted.

I actually thought the factory missed the protection piece when I first saw it. Ended up installing the Turner's plate. I picked up my G last Saturday and the Mish plate just arrived, good timing.

BTW, the Turner's plate is better built than the Mish, I don't mean just the thickness or material, I am a bit concerned with the 2x welded-on U-brackets on the Mish.

[xps]

Originally Posted by Tag

Single dudes, you should never hook up with anyone you just met even if you use protection. Because it's not absolutely guaranteed to keep you 100% safe and is no better than raw doggin' it.

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by M2siast

One thing also to remember is that we’re conjecturing this was a “small rock”.

It seems to me like this is more road hazard than a flying pebble. Such as a bigger rock that the car failed to clear, or a shredded tire strip, as the metal in the tire would be very powerful against the radiator (and be dragged to smash it in two points).

Or maybe a bumper piece of some car left on the road, things like that.

Point is, sure protection is great, but give it enough, and nothing can really protect you fully (flying turkey included).

There's so much shit flying off the back of pick up trucks and poorly secured trailers these days. Most major roads in America are basically trash compactors.

[Chet for short]

Originally Posted by xps

Do we think this lip is in place to act as a gaurd or is it just a airflow modifier? Do we have a case against BMW for ignoring the lip? Can anyone provide me the part number

The PN# from one of the earlier posts in this thread is 51 758082491. A quick google shows it's available from ECS for $89

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by Tag

Single dudes, you should never hook up with anyone you just met even if you use protection. Because it's not absolutely guaranteed to keep you 100% safe and is no better than raw doggin' it.

Totally agree and I suspect nobody here will condomn you.

[M_Power Rob]

With my post above being said, and reviewing and speaking with reps and my builder...I have decided to go with a Mishi skid plate. Is it guaranteed protection, no, but based on design, it is the best out there.

I spoke with my builder and was able to snag a Mishi skid plate (supplier only had three available...they went through almost 200 of them since the OPs post).

[xps]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

With my post above being said, and reviewing and speaking with reps and my builder...I have decided to go with a Mishi skid plate. Is it guaranteed protection, no, but based on design, it is the best out there.

I spoke with my builder and was able to snag a Mishi skid plate (supplier only had three available...they went through almost 200 of them since the OPs post).

So am I getting a kick-back or what?

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Again, that screen is close enough to the cooler (and its just a stainless steel screen so it will flex) and you hit a hunk of Iron, steel, concrete or rock that is fist size or so and at highway speeds, that screen damn sure will flex and the chances the object makes contact with the cooler are pretty good. I dont care if you dont believe. We all have our opinions and if you are comfortable with the screen, than that is your choice (I have not criticized anyone for their choice but given opinions based on the product).

Correct, but I'm giving my opinion having the product installed. You appear to be giving your opinion based on theory and no experience with the product.
Like I said, if you hit something "fist-sized", you're going to have bigger issues.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by xps

So am I getting a kick-back or what?

May want to call Mishi (and Zandsport, Turner, etc.).

Sorry, not trying to make fun of you or the situation. Always healthy to find humor in any situation, good or bad.

[FrankWhite!]

Looks like Mishimoto is still taking orders but unfortunately if youre like me and checked out after 11am EST you’ll will probably be receiving an email like mine that says It’s now backordered for the next 8 to 10 weeks.