[aerobod]

Originally Posted by xps

Now another concerning point they stated is the repair rep is recommending against the turbos replacement and is only recommending oil line flush. Kind of bummed out they are saying this. Can someone explain what can go wrong by not replacing the turbos and why?

If the turbos are damaged and not replaced, they could generate metal shavings in the future and destroy the whole engine again. I would get in writing from the insurance company that they will cover any future engine failure due to turbo failure and effectively provide a warranty, as I doubt BMW will provide warranty coverage for that scenario, if they are recommending turbo replacement.

It is very difficult to determine turbo damage without disassembling them to inspect the bearings, but they will then need to be rebuilt and rebalanced, costing a significant portion of the replacement units.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by M2siast

But then again, I don’t do PPF either. So I’m the absolute minority in every aspect here

“Whatever it is, I’m against it”
-Quincy Adams Wagstaff

[SpeedyATL]

I've read about half this thread and it's concerning for sure....An M2 is/was on the list for a possible eventual replacement for my beloved Z4 when the time is right.

But a question (might have already been asked), what is the warranty on the new motor/turbos/etc from BMW? The car came with 4/50 obviously, but some manufacturers only warranty replacement parts for 12 months. That would obviously SUCK in this case to have a 'new car' with only 12 mon warranty on some of the major parts.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by xps

All the folks that think the oil cooler on these cars are fine, please stick to your words, man-up and please never install any protection. We really need more examples like mine

Well I never said I wouldn’t install one, I have the Mishimoto on order. I just lowered the car, so this is a must need. I was only saying how strong it is when I’ve felt it and how good his looks for 9,000 km. Sorry about your car, whole situation sucks.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by SpeedyATL

I've read about half this thread and it's concerning for sure....An M2 is/was on the list for a possible eventual replacement for my beloved Z4 when the time is right.

But a question (might have already been asked), what is the warranty on the new motor/turbos/etc from BMW? The car came with 4/50 obviously, but some manufacturers only warranty replacement parts for 12 months. That would obviously SUCK in this case to have a 'new car' with only 12 mon warranty on some of the major parts.

That's a great question that I don't have an answer to. You'd expect them to match the remaining cars warranty, but BMW wouldn't even step up to accommodate the OP whose engine was destroyed on their initial drive home from picking up their new car. All due to their design flaw. So, I wouldn't hold my breath. They might offer an extended warranty beyond the normal replacement warranty period and just pass on the cost to the owner/insurance. Pinching pennies by not adding any protection to the oil cooler, making you pay through the nose when it fails. What a racket.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Exactly.
Have you seen those bucket seat side bolster “covers” people are buying to protect their bolsters?

Those are so stupid; the color doesn't even match the seats and they look saggy.

[xps]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I likely won’t install any protection. We’ll see, I tried and couldn’t, so I’ll likely let it go.

I think the most important thing is to just turn off the engine when there’s a puncture to save it.

But then again, I don’t do PPF either. So I’m the absolute minority in every aspect here

I wasn't going to PPF and was going to drive through winter. But if I get to an M2 again, I cannot drive without cooler protection having gone through what I have.

I heard from the insurance rep how the BMW techs at the dealership were totally unhappy with the design and they were taking videos of the insurance rep going over the damage and analysis to send it to BMW HQ. Insurance rep mentioned they have serious concerns on the about how low the placement is and how the cooler is unprotected. Insurance Rep also mentioned this case will be flagged as special case to be looked by experts. Essentially duplicating the concerns many of us have.

Regarding turning off the engine as soon as the puncture happens, I wish it was that easy. Especially when the hit is not noticeable and the oil loss before when low oil pressure is reported is high enough to damage the engine.

[Ointment0440]

Got the 8-10 week backorder e-mail from Mishimoto yesterday, too, and car is likely coming later in Jan. Posts like this make me paranoid more than usual since we go on a decent number of road trips and road debris is always a wildcard. Strongly considering ordering the Turner skid plate and Stradale front radiator/side vent mesh, but all together it'll add over another $1100-1200 in parts alone.

[xps]

If anyone wants these DM me, if the car gets totalled I will send these for $150 shipped

[Tag]

Originally Posted by xps

If anyone wants these DM me, if the car gets totalled I will send these for $150 shipped

If the car is totaled you won't be getting another M2? Honestly don't blame you if that's the case. I would probably be hesitant to get another one too with all you've gone through and continue to be dealing with.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by xps

I wasn't going to PPF and was going to drive through winter. But if I get to an M2 again, I cannot drive without cooler protection having gone through what I have.

I heard from the insurance rep how the BMW techs at the dealership were totally unhappy with the design and they were taking videos of the insurance rep going over the damage and analysis to send it to BMW HQ. Insurance rep mentioned they have serious concerns on the about how low the placement is and how the cooler is unprotected. Insurance Rep also mentioned this case will be flagged as special case to be looked by experts. Essentially duplicating the concerns many of us have.

Regarding turning off the engine as soon as the puncture happens, I wish it was that easy. Especially when the hit is not noticeable and the oil loss before when low oil pressure is reported is high enough to damage the engine.

As I posted earlier, Im amazed insurance industry has assumed this risk from the makers. NO excuse. This is a very easy problem to research, develop and correct. Good to see this company is thinking about this it appears. Im very sorry this has been something you had to deal with.

[xps]

Originally Posted by Tag

If the car is totaled you won't be getting another M2? Honestly don't blame you if that's the case. I would probably be hesitant to get another one too with all you've gone through and continue to be dealing with.

Honestly at this price point, there is nothing better to be had. I may however choose Brooklyn Gray as the Red didn't hit me right as I thought.

[Newgenbimmer]

Sorry to hear this owner having to experience this in the first place. BMW will likley never consider this a recall and provide covers . I went ahead ordered the Zunsport earlier this week with quick turnaround from the UK. I am planning to do a Stage 2 down the road and will plan some front Mishimoto parts that I believe have rock guards .

Best of luck to the OP and continue keeping us all updated.

[NewToM]

Originally Posted by xps

Honestly at this price point, there is nothing better to be had. I may however choose Brooklyn Gray as the Red didn't hit me right as I thought.

I love my Brooklyn Grey with CF roof!

[xps]

Originally Posted by DSTR

As I posted earlier, Im amazed insurance industry has assumed this risk from the makers. NO excuse. This is a very easy problem to research, develop and correct. Good to see this company is thinking about this it appears. Im very sorry this has been something you had to deal with.

I am pretty sure insurance is going to just flag the M2 has high risk vehicle, thus increasing the premiums, rather than actually going after BMW to get it fixed. Nothing ever comes in favor for the owners

[Tag]

Originally Posted by DSTR

As I posted earlier, Im amazed insurance industry has assumed this risk from the makers. NO excuse. This is a very easy problem to research, develop and correct. Good to see this company is thinking about this it appears. Im very sorry this has been something you had to deal with.

BMW can easily address this, but they won't. I'll bet you their engineers were crying how placing an oil cooler on the bottom of the car without any protection was madness, but they don't get the last word. Bean counters look to cut cost at every corner, and they deem the risk of catastrophic failure as low. They know it will fail sooner or later, but they've assessed that most instances will not end up needing a new engine.

I also wouldn't say BMW is considering anything. Technicians at dealerships who work on these cars know bad design when they see it. I've had techs gripe to me many times about certain design flaws but that's not the same as BMW revaluating the design. Sadly, my expectation is anything they report back will fall on deaf ears. I don't expect anything to change unless there's a class action. All owners can do is take preventative measures like installing protection or accept the risk and hope for the best.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by SpeedyATL

I've read about half this thread and it's concerning for sure....An M2 is/was on the list for a possible eventual replacement for my beloved Z4 when the time is right.

But a question (might have already been asked), what is the warranty on the new motor/turbos/etc from BMW? The car came with 4/50 obviously, but some manufacturers only warranty replacement parts for 12 months. That would obviously SUCK in this case to have a 'new car' with only 12 mon warranty on some of the major parts.

I had an engine replaced in a GM vehicle under warranty and they would only warranty it for 12 months or 12k mi. I sold the vehicle 2 weeks after getting it back. I'd want to find out what warranty the replacement has before agreeing to the repairs.

[xps]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I had an engine replaced in a GM vehicle under warranty and they would only warranty it for 12 months or 12k mi. I sold the vehicle 2 weeks after getting it back. I'd want to find out what warranty the replacement has before agreeing to the repairs.

Good point

[Ointment0440]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I looked up the Turner, I don’t think it protects against these things. What do you think when you look at it?

I think the Turner plate also needs an additional mesh like some of the ones mentioned in this thread to actually protect the oil filter.

[sclui56]

Originally Posted by Ointment0440

I think the Turner plate also needs an additional mesh like some of the ones mentioned in this thread to actually protect the oil filter.

While I bought the Mishimoto for my G, I installed the Turner's on my daughters G42 (that one didn't even have the flimsy plastic with the ZTK pack). I still have to add a piece of mesh on the Turner's. One of the other guys did that on his G42. Just hope we don't ever run into warranty work that's remotely related to overheating cause I am sure BMW would deny it as these are non-approved equipment!

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2032354

[xps]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Warranty is the same, 4 years or 50,000 miles, whether covered by warranty or fixed on the insurance's dime. The warranty period does not change.

Good to know, but I have asked the dealer to confirm.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by xps

I am pretty sure insurance is going to just flag the M2 has high risk vehicle, thus increasing the premiums, rather than actually going after BMW to get it fixed. Nothing ever comes in favor for the owners

Certainly this would be no shock. Always the buyers and or owners at fault when clearly are not.