[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by M2BOT

I wouldn’t call it flimsy in the least. It’s extremely rigid.

Exactly, and definitely not the same as the flimsy $16 amazon mesh. I also don't understand why people care so much about on what other's spend their money?

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by forcefed

Not sure why y'all buying this zunsport mesh, it's a flimsy $20 mesh you can make yourself.

https://www.amazon.com/AggAuto-Unive.../dp/B08PBL6MJ2

The 4x8 mesh is $16 you can cut two pieces from that size, costing you $8 in the end. Save your money for the mishimoto skid plate.

Ok have you touched or seen/felt the Zunsport??? My guess is no. Your solution backs up directly to the cooler as well. You buy a serious car and go 'cheap' lol.

You live with an interesting decision matrix to put it mildly. Save money for the Mishimoto - would have cost me more than the Zunsport. The 'skidplate' actually extends downward as well. Not optimal .......at all.

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Exactly, and definitely not the same as the flimsy $16 amazon mesh. I also don't understand why people care so much about on what other's spend their money?

Less about what people spend money on and more about buying the right tool for the job. That mesh might be good for some small rocks, run over something sizeable and you'll be just as unlucky as the op.

[clydefrog]

Let's just be happy there are a range of options to fit different price points? I went ZunSport. I'm not trying to offroad and if I hit something big enough to take this thing out... oh well.. I would get the Mishi but I don't want drop the dough (and have the lower scrape point) and my concern is more about small-medium sized road debris fucking up cooler.

you're never going to 100% fix this unless you relocate the oil cooler imo (maybe STI style hood scoop relocation kit??? anyone?? lol)

[Tag]

Originally Posted by clydefrog

Let's just be happy there are a range of options to fit different price points? I went ZunSport. I'm not trying to offroad and if I hit something big enough to take this thing out... oh well.. I would get the Mishi but I don't want drop the dough (and have the lower scrape point) and my concern is more about small-medium sized road debris fucking up cooler.

you're never going to 100% fix this unless you relocate the oil cooler imo (maybe STI style hood scoop relocation kit??? anyone?? lol)

IMO any sort of protection is better than raw doggin' the oil cooler. This is the only Achilles heel that I've seen on the G87. It doesn't have the stupid crank hub design like the F87 so now that you have protected the oil cooler, I wouldn't think about it anymore and just enjoy the car.

[Fugly M3]

Wow, what a sh**show. OP, sorry this happened to you. Definitely looking into the various covers/screens. Ultimately, I think there will be a recall on this. The US is not the EU and there is crap in and on the road everywhere. Even though not legally required, BMW should have stepped up and offered immediate fix or new car. To that end, I am inclined to wonder if it hadn’t been delivered this way or in a weakened state such that a rock totally did it in. The lack of any paint damage given the road conditions suggests something of that nature.

Wrt warranty, you shouldn’t normally have an issue on future warranty. However, if the insurance doesn’t agree to new everything (the turbos) and then they go becuase of this (as determined by BMW), then it’s back to insurance to try to get them to pay out again.

Complete mess. Sorry to hear about it.

[MMMGuy60]

Originally Posted by DSTR

Ok have you touched or seen/felt the Zunsport??? My guess is no. Your solution backs up directly to the cooler as well. You buy a serious car and go 'cheap' lol.

You live with an interesting decision matrix to put it mildly. Save money for the Mishimoto - would have cost me more than the Zunsport. The 'skidplate' actually extends downward as well. Not optimal .......at all.

I just received my Zunsport today. It is a hard/solid mesh screen. The $16 Amazon is soft and offers very minimal protection. The Zunsport version is not flexible and offers much better protection, night and day difference.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

The US is not the EU and there is crap in and on the road everywhere. Even though not legally required, BMW should have stepped up and offered immediate fix or new car.

To this point, do you believe BWM should replace any parts damaged from road debris or owner error (e.g., running over road debris)? My 330e got hit by a tire tread that was kicked up by a truck in front of me. Shattered a headlight, fog light, and front grilles, over $4k in damage. Should BMW have replaced the broken parts?

The OP's situation, as well as the that of others who experience similar damage is unfortunate. But it's not the manufacturer's responsibility to pay of the damage caused by road debris.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

To this point, do you believe BWM should replace any parts damaged from road debris or owner error (e.g., running over road debris)? My 330e got hit by a tire tread that was kicked up by a truck in front of me. Shattered a headlight, fog light, and front grilles, over $4k in damage. Should BMW have replaced the broken parts?

The OP's situation, as well as the that of others who experience similar damage is unfortunate. But it's not the manufacturer's responsibility to pay of the damage caused by road debris.

Of course not. I’ve been in the same situation. But those are forward facing surfaces that can reasonably be expected to be exposed to things. A gaping hole under the car that exposes a component critical to engine integrity is entirely different.

[xps]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

To this point, do you believe BWM should replace any parts damaged from road debris or owner error (e.g., running over road debris)? My 330e got hit by a tire tread that was kicked up by a truck in front of me. Shattered a headlight, fog light, and front grilles, over $4k in damage. Should BMW have replaced the broken parts?

The OP's situation, as well as the that of others who experience similar damage is unfortunate. But it's not the manufacturer's responsibility to pay of the damage caused by road debris.

Hard to argue this point logically. But a fragile part like the oil cooler still should be behind some level of protection especially when the placement is 6" from the ground fully open facing downwards. The point is not about bmw fixing the damage but rather fixing the design so the issue is not left to the luck of the owner.
Also if the oil cooler damage was isolated and the engine had a mechanism to protect itself, now that is an intelligent design, then no one is going to complain.

In your example if the damage happened to your ev system because they left a critical part vulnerable to the damage you described and left you with a bill of 65% of msrp, then that is bad design and I am sure you will not look at it the same way.

[xps]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Look up the design of the Porsche Taycan cooling duct underneath the car. 65% of the car to fix when hit a road hazard too. Unfortunately every car has an exposed item. That was my point when I said cars are hard to engineer.

Do they have the ducts/radiators exposed facing downwards like our cars. I don't think so? I have not seen any other OEM with such a design on a road car

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by xps

Hard to argue this point logically. But a fragile part like the oil cooler still should be behind some level of protection especially when the placement is 6" from the ground fully open facing downwards. The point is not about bmw fixing the damage but rather fixing the design so the issue is not left to the luck of the owner.
Also if the oil cooler damage was isolated and the engine had a mechanism to protect itself, now that is an intelligent design, then no one is going to complain.

In your example if the damage happened to your ev system because they left a critical part vulnerable to the damage you described and left you with a bill of 65% of msrp, then that is bad design and I am sure you will not look at it the same way.

It could be argued that the likelihood of headlights being shattered by road debris is probably higher than the oil cooler being punctured by road debris and the owner continuing to drive the vehicle without oil leading to a catastrophic engine failure. I have headlight guards on my Wrangler headlights to avoid such damage, so it's not an unfounded argument.

And the comment to which I replied said BMW should have paid for the damage or a new car.

[xps]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

It could be argued that the likelihood of headlights being shattered by road debris is probably higher than the oil cooler being punctured by road debris and the owner continuing to drive the vehicle without oil leading to a catastrophic engine failure. I have headlight guards on my Wrangler headlights to avoid such damage, so it's not an unfounded argument.

And the comment to which I replied said BMW should have paid for the damage or a new car.

I am pretty sure the headlights are designed to be much much stronger for the same reason you mentioned they are much likely to be hit by debris. You will hardly see a cracked headlights when comapred to other road debri damages on car.

And since there are laws and basic requirements on the placement of an headlight. They are essentially designed to withstand a certain level of abuse.

This cannot be said for the oil cooler and they had many opportunities to place it else where or at least protect it to a certain extent. You can see the extent of damage many of the owners already have on their coolers with in few thousand miles. Just imagine repeated hits over the life of the vehicle.

I am not sure why we should trivialize such a blatant design issue comparing it to non-equating examples.

Also why did bmw have a plastic protection in the F-series?

[rk95]

Slightly off topic - what ramps are you guys using to get under the car to install the oil cooler guards? And are you needing something like a 2x4 to get onto the ramp?

[DarkNight707]

Originally Posted by rk95

Slightly off topic - what ramps are you guys using to get under the car to install the oil cooler guards? And are you needing something like a 2x4 to get onto the ramp?

Check out this other thread https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=30597247
(Hopefully the link works)

[TT0997]

A question now linked to all oil cooler protectors (mishi, Zunsport…) :

Is there any way that in case of an engine, cooler, turbo, or whatever related issue (other than rocks) , BMW argue that it is due to a non-OEM part being installed and preventing from the original design for air flow or whatsoever ?

I know I may be a bit pessimistic, but I can see that coming…

When I had my 2016 981 GTS, I installed radiator zunsport grills, and my CP told me te remove them otherwise they could not prolonguate my PA…

Also, here in Europe the majority of BMW dealers won’t accept to install an aftermarket part such as these Oil cooler :/

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by TT0997

A question now linked to all oil cooler protectors (mishi, Zunsport…) :

Is there any way that in case of an engine, cooler, turbo, or whatever related issue (other than rocks) , BMW argue that it is due to a non-OEM part being installed and preventing from the original design for air flow or whatsoever ?

I know I may be a bit pessimistic, but I can see that coming…

When I had my 2016 981 GTS, I installed radiator zunsport grills, and my CP told me te remove them otherwise they could not prolonguate my PA…

Also, here in Europe the majority of BMW dealers won’t accept to install an aftermarket part such as these Oil cooler :/

My very well connected to BMW dealer here in Germany has zero issue with what Ive installed and installed the oil cooler Zunsport screen for me. They said it was smart given damage seen in the past. Of note is the easy removal of them

I have seen zero temperature issues on my M2 so far. They were on before it was really cooling off temperature wise as well. Given how poorly BMW protected the coolers by design, they can kiss my ...............

[M2 CCO]

Originally Posted by rk95

Slightly off topic - what ramps are you guys using to get under the car to install the oil cooler guards? And are you needing something like a 2x4 to get onto the ramp?

I’ve been using race ramps (67”) and don’t need a 2x4 or anything to get up them. I’m on MP HAS as well. Since I added the lip it’s a little closer clearance but still no issue driving up/down.

[mrdudley]

Originally Posted by TT0997

A question now linked to all oil cooler protectors (mishi, Zunsport…) :

Is there any way that in case of an engine, cooler, turbo, or whatever related issue (other than rocks) , BMW argue that it is due to a non-OEM part being installed and preventing from the original design for air flow or whatsoever ?

I know I may be a bit pessimistic, but I can see that coming…

When I had my 2016 981 GTS, I installed radiator zunsport grills, and my CP told me te remove them otherwise they could not prolonguate my PA…

Also, here in Europe the majority of BMW dealers won’t accept to install an aftermarket part such as these Oil cooler :/

Yes BMW could. But which risk is greater?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by TT0997

A question now linked to all oil cooler protectors (mishi, Zunsport…) :

Is there any way that in case of an engine, cooler, turbo, or whatever related issue (other than rocks) , BMW argue that it is due to a non-OEM part being installed and preventing from the original design for air flow or whatsoever ?

I know I may be a bit pessimistic, but I can see that coming…

When I had my 2016 981 GTS, I installed radiator zunsport grills, and my CP told me te remove them otherwise they could not prolonguate my PA…

Also, here in Europe the majority of BMW dealers won’t accept to install an aftermarket part such as these Oil cooler :/

I don't get European laws. They have some the best consumer protections when it comes to computers and your personal information but at the same time some of the most archaic regulations on cars I've ever seen.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by TT0997

Is there any way that in case of an engine, cooler, turbo, or whatever related issue (other than rocks) , BMW argue that it is due to a non-OEM part being installed and preventing from the original design for air flow or whatsoever ?

The beauty of either the mesh guard or an actual skid plate guard is that they are fairly easy to remove and reinstall your old plastic bs guard. If you have a ramp or a lift in your garage, it shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to take off the aftermarket part and replace it with the factory one. I can't imagine the downside of installing the oil skid plate other than the extra 4 pounds or whatever, at least it's at the bottom of the car. If your car is lowered, this provides peace of mind, even if you track your car, with all of the crap on the track, this is another insurance measure that vital parts of the car aren't going to get destroyed.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by xps

I am pretty sure the headlights are designed to be much much stronger for the same reason you mentioned they are much likely to be hit by debris. You will hardly see a cracked headlights when comapred to other road debri damages on car.

And since there are laws and basic requirements on the placement of an headlight. They are essentially designed to withstand a certain level of abuse.

This cannot be said for the oil cooler and they had many opportunities to place it else where or at least protect it to a certain extent. You can see the extent of damage many of the owners already have on their coolers with in few thousand miles. Just imagine repeated hits over the life of the vehicle.

I am not sure why we should trivialize such a blatant design issue comparing it to non-equating examples.

Also why did bmw have a plastic protection in the F-series?

I wonder if that piece can be retrofitted to G8x? Do you have the part number?