[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

Hmmm, you may be on to something?

How can anyone UNBIASED person say this is ugly?

Shall I fight fire with fire? Or more correctly, BMW photoshop'ers vs MB photoshop'ers.

If we are comparing glamour shots now.. M3 brings plenty to the table.

[FotiosF90M5]

Im surprised at myself for saying this but personally I am going after the c63 more than the bimmer.

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Shall I fight fire with fire? Or more correctly, BMW photoshop'ers vs MB photoshop'ers.

If we are comparing glamour shots now.. M3 brings plenty to the table.

Not pushing the MB, in fact, I have never owned a MB. Last 5 cars, ALL BMW's. My point is that it's not a bad looking car(far from ugly) and AMG finally has produced a vehicle that is both relavant and can actually compete with the ///M's. If I was in the market for a 4door(happy with my Mcoupe), it would be very difficult to decide. If forced to make a choice I would prob pick the M3.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

So when are you going to let this thread know that your family also owns a C63?

I'd say your just as biased as Mantis is towards the M3.

Truth time, I'm biased as well. M3 wins.

Half this thread is talking about how the C63 will out drag a M3. Who buys a MB or BMW to drag? Thats the most preposterous thing I've ever heard. The half that are being practical and realized no one here will be able to get the full potential out of either car are correct. Which means it basically comes down to aesthetics, interface, and atmosphere.
I'll say it again, M3 wins.

Please, please point out any references in my past statements that could lead to any sort of evidence that I'm biased in favor of the C63. Please. I've never said it's better, but I have sorted out my opinions on each car after having driven both of them quite a bit, albeit the e92 M3 less so. I've driven the M3 enough to form what I consider to be a pretty in-depth opinion of it.

You're kidding me if you think I'm as biased as Mantis. Read his damn posts and try to say that again.

[fobunited]

Although people always have and always will compare AMG and M, I think they make cars with very different purposes in mind, and will therefore attract buyers with different purposes.

The M3 has always been about track-worthy performance in a street vehicle that can be driven everyday. It is alot more balanced and refined and will hold its own on the track. It is a compromise, however. It's not a true track car and there are many cars out there that will either be more fun to drive at the track, or run faster times. The track friendly nature of the M3 also means that it is a harsher daily driver. That is not to say the M3 isn't a great car, but it definitely is more track oriented and handles the track and daily driving well.

AMG cars, and in this case the C63, are more daily drivers and street kings. They will hold their own on the track to some respects, but are geared more towards everyday driving. The cars are built for Mercedes owners who cruise the streets but want more power and more exclusivity. Mercedes in general has always been more about luxury and comfort than sportiness, and AMG, although sporty in nature, will not compromise what makes a Mercedes a Mercedes. Therefore, AMGs will shove a powerful huge engine into Mercedes' cars, stiffen the suspension, add rims and a body kit, and upgrade the brakes, but it is still a Mercedes and a street cruiser. This is also why, despite minor protests, you probably won't be seeing a manual in an AMG any time soon. The AMG also compromises in very much the same was as the M3, it just leans in the other direction.

I don't think there's anything wrong with liking an M3 or a C63 more, they cater to completely different desires in buying a $50k+ vehicle. To the majority of Americans, that's alot of money to spend on a car, and at that price point, people are more picky about the purpose behind their cars. Therefore, people who are more inclined to track their cars and really have fun in engaging their cars will lean more towards the M3. People who are street cruisers but want to own the street and keep up with 99% of the cars out there while doing so, will lean towards the C63. Nothing wrong with either choice, but they are built for different types of people.

In all honesty though, the M3 and the C63 ARE compromises. If you really want a track car, you wouldn't get an M3, and if you really wanted a luxury sedan street cruiser, you wouldn't get a C63. My choice for track? GT3RS. Street cruising? B7.

My garage? 335i, 997 Turbo, E63, S550, Cayenne Turbo. Hopefully didn't compromise too much.

[pokerface]

Read somewhere AMG is already thinking about discontiuing the 63 series in favor of a TT 5.5 V8 due to horrendous fuel consumption at WOT

[par4bmw]

Originally Posted by pokerface

Read somewhere AMG is already thinking about discontiuing the 63 series in favor of a TT 5.5 V8 due to horrendous fuel consumption at WOT

From their press release, it sounds like it is going to be even more of a killer engine.

[!Xoible]

Originally Posted by txusa03

M power FTW. Now, can I drive your new M3 while you sit here trading punches

not at all

Originally Posted by pdjafari

sorry but i would take the c63>m3 anyday.

I have a 335i now and with some mods I can smoke an M3. The M3 is a nice car, but I prefer the raw power of the C63. I am no fan of Mercedes but I love the way the C63 looks, very aggressive and mean.

Not to mention, Jeremy Clarkson called the C63 'an axe murderer with wheels'

It's also more practical being a sedan (unless you get the M3 sedan) which IMHO doesnt look as nice as the M3 coupe...

I just think Mantis is upset b/c the C63 will take teh M in a straight line!!

Blind loyalty of any brand is the greatest disfavor a true enthusiast can do to oneself, not to mention the biggest sign of 'fanboyism'

im sure u'd take mercedes over anything, ur PERSIAN, u have to

Originally Posted by ///Metak

Hmmm, you may be on to something?

How can anyone UNBIASED person say this is ugly?
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looks heavy man, look how slick the M3 looks. i give u that the front, altho super bulky-looking, looks mean, but the rear

Originally Posted by Crimson92

very far from ugly

ur not at all bro

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Shall I fight fire with fire? Or more correctly, BMW photoshop'ers vs MB photoshop'ers.

If we are comparing glamour shots now.. M3 brings plenty to the table.

hmmm when was the last time any merc turned my head man!! there's too many of them anyway to notice them

Originally Posted by fotios330i

Im surprised at myself for saying this but personally I am going after the c63 more than the bimmer.

im not surprised. u drive auto, what difference does it make for you? just have a heavy foot and ur set

[KL2DC]

Originally Posted by fotios330i

Im surprised at myself for saying this but personally I am going after the c63 more than the bimmer.

my sentiments exactly, I stand by what I said, I just find myself strangely attracted to the C63 despite its known shortcomings (many of which have been pointed out thus far - adds character) and no I'm not a 3 pointed star fanboy, quite the opposite actually Must be the seduction of the engine size and power i.e. Jeremy Clarkson syndrome

I think its an emotional thing, if I have the cash to spend at this exact moment, I'll be going to the MB dealership first.

[ttdmac]

Originally Posted by KL2DC

my sentiments exactly, I stand by what I said, I just find myself strangely attracted to the C63 despite its known shortcomings (many of which have been pointed out thus far - adds character) and no I'm not a 3 pointed star fanboy, quite the opposite actually Must be the seduction of the engine size and power i.e. Jeremy Clarkson syndrome

I think its an emotional thing, if I have the cash to spend at this exact moment, I'll be going to the MB dealership first.

I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but this thread is pretty amusing.

Remember that even Jeremy Clarkson admitted that the M3 was better track car than the C63. He couldn't hit the apex at full bore to save his life. lol

[pdjafari]

Originally Posted by ttdmac

I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but this thread is pretty amusing.

Remember that even Jeremy Clarkson admitted that the M3 was better track car than the C63. He couldn't hit the apex at full bore to save his life. lol

true. However, they did say that M3 drivers have no friends (Mantis) and that the guys who drive M3's look like cocks lol. Hence why when Jeremy Clarkson drove teh M3 he wore a funky outfit w/ some cock sunglasses similar to the Magnum PI shades Mantis wears

I love my e92..the M3 is similar overall but has its own unique touches. I feel that the C63 would be a better car for me b/c it has 4 doors (and I dont like the e90 NOR the M3 sedan)

Better comparison would be the M3 sedan vs C63.

M3 sedan is FUGLY IMHO...but then again i dont like e90s either...

[vAnt826]

We loved the E46 M3 over the C55 because of it's rawness behind the wheel. The E92 however has gotten softer, but the C63 has definitely muscled more 'axe murderer'. To me, it really seems like the cars have switched roles even though their performance has not. The M3 has obviously set its target for a more mainstream market, while the C63 has set its eyes on a smaller group of more hardcore people willing to feel more bumps on the road.

You could argue that 'automatic sucks', but you would be saying that about your own tuning house as they specifically chose the M5/M6 to be auto only.

In the end however, GT-R/CTS-V > M3/C63/IS-F in all performance catagories. God the CTS-V has a pretty interior!

[Nikos335i]

Originally Posted by Winston Wolf

Some say he once pushed a little old lady down the stairs to the tube in Piccadilly Circus.

I love this show!!!

[Hunter399]

id take the c63

[herbz]

i like em both. it would be a hard choice. i'm glad i can't afford either.

[07-335XI]

C63 !!!