[UPDATE 1/2/24] - MY2025 G87 M2 to get 475hp / 443 lb-ft! + New Colors

ghaffari46 · 06-20-2023, 04:20 PM

At some point someone should break the news for BMW that what make M cars more fun is not more power, it’s less weight!

M2PDX · 06-20-2023, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

Obsolete and high mileage

Cash for clunkers candidate

LMAO

Bimmerfun82 · 06-20-2023, 04:21 PM

This is true marketing genius from BMW. Apparently the M2 already puts out these numbers.

Habber · 06-20-2023, 04:26 PM

Don’t you just love waiting months for allocation, get allocation, follow build process, watch it cross the Atlantic, then get the call from dealer your car is ready, only to read its already being updated and upgraded.

Love BMW…

Squidget · 06-20-2023, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

At some point someone should break the news for BMW that whas make M cars more fun is not more power, it’s less weight!

So there's never been a fun M car?

There's never been a lightweight M (relative to same-era Lotus and Porsche). The e46 m3 was approx 3400 pounds... 23 years ago! The e92 m3 was, what 3650?

The much lauded F87CS was also about 3400. Not light by sports car standards, also expensive. But was it not fun?

I just do not understand this line of reasoning, I find it confusing.

You can toss the M2 into corners, you can drift it, you can kick the back out at will, you can power out of apexes, why is that not fun. What is fun, if not these things?

NotSharocks · 06-20-2023, 04:31 PM

475 wheel Mexican horse power?

Nettles · 06-20-2023, 04:38 PM

The chaos in this thread is amazing to watch

frostyrwd · 06-20-2023, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Squidget

So there's never been a fun M car?

There's never been a lightweight M (relative to same-era Lotus and Porsche). The e46 m3 was approx 3400 pounds... 23 years ago! The e92 m3 was, what 3650?

The much lauded F87CS was also about 3400. Not light by sports car standards, also expensive. But was it not fun?

I just do not understand this line of reasoning, I find it confusing.

You can toss the M2 into corners, you can drift it, you can kick the back out at will, you can power out of apexes, why is that not fun. What is fun, if not these things?

Folks want Miata weight with at least 450rwhp and no nannies

Albator_IIII · 06-20-2023, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NotSharocks

475 wheel Mexican horse power?

If we go by the real life dyno results of the current 453 wheel Mexican horse power, 475 sounds even wilder.

Nice bigotry you got there.

ynguldyn · 06-20-2023, 04:44 PM

I round my numbers. "475" doesn't mean exactly 475. If you see a couple hp difference with some official number elsewhere, assume they're actually the same.

The extra power is not coming from a recuperation system.

The new wheel option is just a different color of the same wheel style.

Hendo741 · 06-20-2023, 04:45 PM

I wish they'd hurry up and announce the M2 Comp with Xdrive!!

First, so I can order it. Second, to watch all the boomers lose their mind about how its not longer a drivers car and yadda yadda yadda.

ghaffari46 · 06-20-2023, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyrwd

Folks want Miata weight with at least 450rwhp and no nannies

I did not say not fun, I said less fun. I had more fun with my E90 m3, i did not enjoy My M5, too heavy and too much power, im enjoying my current I8, balanced power and weight.
My best experience was with 1M in 2011, i drove it on the track in 2011. Brilliant car.
Previous m2 was a fun car, and im getting the new m2 next month. Hopefully it will be close to the previous gen M2.

Tornado1M · 06-20-2023, 05:05 PM

Is power actually increasing from the first model year or are they simply rating the same engine higher as we all know based on Dyno’s that it was higher than stated?

Is there an actual change to the engine to produce more or it’s just a clerical alignment to the reality of the existing engine?

frostyrwd · 06-20-2023, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ghaffari46

I did not say not fun, I said less fun. I had more fun with my E90 m3, i did not enjoy My M5, too heavy and too much power, im enjoying my current I8, balanced power and weight.
My best experience was with 1M in 2011, i drove it on the track in 2011. Brilliant car.
Previous m2 was a fun car, and im getting the new m2 next month. Hopefully it will be close to the previous gen M2.

No I agree with you I’m being facetious. People have unrealistic expectations of modern cars.

NotSharocks · 06-20-2023, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

If we go by the real life dyno results of the current 453 wheel Mexican horse power, 475 sounds even wilder.

Nice bigotry you got there.

It's not bigotry, the horses are indeed different, they use different fuel and they have superior tacos.

Don't be mad you have to settle for Chipotle.

Carefree · 06-20-2023, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hendo741

I wish they'd hurry up and announce the M2 Comp with Xdrive!!

First, so I can order it. Second, to watch all the boomers lose their mind about how its not longer a drivers car and yadda yadda yadda.

Many of us have already lost our minds.

Tag · 06-20-2023, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tornado1M

Is power actually increasing from the first model year

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado1M

...or are they simply rating the same engine higher as we all know based on Dyno’s that it was higher than stated?

No

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Originally Posted by Tornado1M

Is there an actual change to the engine to produce more or it’s just a clerical alignment to the reality of the existing engine?

Power bump from engine tune, no hardware upgrades.

Albator_IIII · 06-20-2023, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NotSharocks

It's not bigotry, the horses are indeed different, they use different fuel and they have superior tacos.

Don't be mad you have to settle for Chipotle.

Nice try! We know what you were implying.

Peace out.

SW19 · 06-20-2023, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBeagle

I'm guessing the 2025 M3/4 will make even more power

The MY25 M3 and M4 LCI will definitely get more power.There is no way the base M2 will have more HP than those cars.Definitely worth waiting only a year for this upgrade.

10" · 06-20-2023, 05:53 PM

waiting for the 1000hp base M2 in 2026

Tornado1M · 06-20-2023, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tag

Power bump from engine tune, no hardware upgrades.

Thank you for clarifying!

Now the most obvious question is can Model Year 2023 get this tune from BMW for free or at a cost?

JustinHEMI · 06-20-2023, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tornado1M

Thank you for clarifying!

Now the most obvious question is can Model Year 2023 get this tune from BMW for free or at a cost?

I, for one, would pay a subscription fee if they download a "tune on demand" app into Idrive 8.

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