[Covfefe]

Originally Posted by Laguna Seca Blue

You sir no longer enjoy driving a manual. You loved manuals (past tense). You got called out and now you’re having a hissy fit. Infantile? Classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. Have a happy 4th. Not responding to anything further from you.

Probably correct. I drive a manual on I-400 in Atlanta traffic all the time and would not have it any other way. Having something to occupy my left leg and right arm in mind numbing traffic is a blessing. Sold my auto 135i mainly because it was boring.

[DrewNewM2]

Originally Posted by sacowich

Speaking of which.
My biggest gripe in G87 is lack of manual handbrake.

Yeah my manual Bronco is the first I’ve had without an actual e brake handle and it was an adjustment…..also digital gauges. Tough. Now I’m used to it with the M, but an actual handle and analog gauges would have been great.

[k-m2-j442]

The manual e-brake would have been nice (just to make it easier to repair, I don't plan on trying to do e-brake slides anywhere, thats what 453HP is for)

The gauges being digital is ok with me though, I like the different M-modes for stuff and I mean I know we did it for decades before being able to adjust the display for different things based on the way you're driving is kind of nice in a way, even if not perfectly implemented.

[two_three_two]

this thread reminded me of something i almost forgot about... in 2017 i purchased a UR S6 from a gentleman in his 70s who could barely drive it due to his knees with the shifting. his kids had moved him over to a new S4 (first year of the B9 IIRC). not even two weeks after the sale, he calls me back, cussing his kids up and down, begging me to sell him the car back because the hated the S4 and he hated the auto. i sold it back to him for what i bought it for plus TTL just to break even because i felt so bad for him. nice car back then.

[chrisg123]

I’m noticing with the comfort seats the manual is a little uncomfortable. The seat digs into my upper left thigh. But I’m hoping over time it’ll feel more comfortable. I’m 6ft 190.

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by M2siast

How can the seat dig into your upper thigh?

How? lol! It just does. Maybe you aren’t 6ft

[Laguna Seca Blue]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

How? lol! It just does. Maybe you aren’t 6ft

I’m 6’3 and weigh about the same as you. I think what M2siast is asking is what specifically causes the seat to dig into your upper thigh? Is it the act of depressing the clutch? You might just need to move a little closer or adjust the thigh support. You can also angle the seat up and down

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by Laguna Seca Blue

I’m 6’3 and weigh about the same as you. I think what M2siast is asking is what specifically causes the seat to dig into your upper thigh? Is it the act of depressing the clutch? You might just need to move a little closer or adjust the thigh support. You can also angle the seat up and down

I’ll keep trying but it seems uncomfortable. lol! I’m almost thinking the buckets would have been better. Ugh. My f82 m4 was way more comfortable. But it was dct so maybe that has something to do with it. But it’s not that I’m new to a manual. I’ve had e92 m3 manual, 370z manual, corvette c7 manual, Acura rsx manual, etc…

[NewToM]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

I’ll keep trying but it seems uncomfortable. lol! I’m almost thinking the buckets would have been better. Ugh. My f82 m4 was way more comfortable. But it was dct so maybe that has something to do with it. But it’s not that I’m new to a manual. I’ve had e92 m3 manual, 370z manual, corvette c7 manual, Acura rsx manual, etc…

I am about same height but slighter build and I don’t have any issues. Not amount of adjusting fixes it?

[two_three_two]

you can adjust the side bolsters which, depending on your body type, might help you position your back one way or the other. i am 6'2 240-250 depending on the day and havent had any issues with comfort including 8+ hours day trip skiing. if you are incredibly pear shaped perhaps there could be an issue there but i dunno.

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

you can adjust the side bolsters which, depending on your body type, might help you position your back one way or the other. i am 6'2 240-250 depending on the day and havent had any issues with comfort including 8+ hours day trip skiing. if you are incredibly pear shaped perhaps there could be an issue there but i dunno.

I’m actually pretty fit. But I feel the seat pushes me to the left. I almost feel the seat should be like 1/2 an inch to the left. I picked my car up in Kansas and drove back to Florida. But I just feel it’s not as comfortable as other cars I’ve had.

[Laguna Seca Blue]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

I’m actually pretty fit. But I feel the seat pushes me to the left. I almost feel the seat should be like 1/2 an inch to the left. I picked my car up in Kansas and drove back to Florida. But I just feel it’s not as comfortable as other cars I’ve had.

So it’s the seats location that pushes you to left which in turn pinches your thigh against the bolster? Are you quite popular with the ladies? You’re a very mysterious man haha. Honestly the more I hear, the more intrigued I am. We’ve been trying to figure out what exactly is causing the issue and you’re giving us info in bits and drabs! So the act of rowing gears has nothing to do with your issue? I’m also unclear on how a seat can push you one way or the other unless you engaged driftmode and drove from Kanas to Florida in a massive powerslide. Massive respect.

[chrisg123]

Originally Posted by Laguna Seca Blue

So it’s the seats location that pushes you to left which in turn pinches your thigh against the bolster? Are you quite popular with the ladies? You’re a very mysterious man haha. Honestly the more I hear, the more intrigued I am. We’ve been trying to figure out what exactly is causing the issue and you’re giving us info in bits and drabs! So the act of rowing gears has nothing to do with your issue? I’m also unclear on how a seat can push you one way or the other unless you engaged driftmode and drove from Kanas to Florida in a massive powerslide. Massive respect.

I notice when I’m rowing gears more. I mean I guess I’ll get used to it. It’s more like my left butt/ outer left thigh.

[Laguna Seca Blue]

Originally Posted by M2siast

A dark, tall, fit, mysterious man, with thick thighs, an M2, and a bazooka in his holster… stop it, I can’t go to sleep.

LOL I almost spat up my morning coffee.

[Laguna Seca Blue]

Originally Posted by chrisg123

I notice when I’m rowing gears more. I mean I guess I’ll get used to it. It’s more like my left butt/ outer left thigh.

Perhaps the next time you take your M2 into BMW for service, you can ask them to make sure your seat is to spec and maybe have a salesperson make sure you’re positioned correctly? Good luck!

[NewToM]

Originally Posted by Laguna Seca Blue

Perhaps the next time you take your M2 into BMW for service, you can ask them to make sure your seat is to spec and maybe have a salesperson make sure you’re positioned correctly? Good luck!

If that doesn’t work amputation maybe necessary…

[x622]

If I do decide I like this chassis enough, I will have no qualms getting the CS because the manual transmission in this car is so mediocre. The shifting and driving experience from the factory is miserable.

#1, the factory shifter throw is too long, combined with the CDV and the usual insane clutch throw BMW loves makes it a chore to drive and not really feel "sporty"

#2 Adding a BMS clutch stop kit, deleting the CDV and now a CAE chassis shifter has resulted in a solid 5.5-6/10 shifting experience, if that. It's still just "OK". I would not classify it as enjoyable to drive, much less feel like a precision piece of equipment like say... a S2000 transmission.

#3 The factory flywheel feels like it weighs a billion tons and it takes seven months for it to achieve any sort of RPM. This just makes the engine feel "lazy". A 454 big block revs faster than this thing. Yes, this thing pulls when you're driving, but it doesn't feel "urgent". Maybe a tune with some timing in it will help.

#4 The factory engine mounts are squishy boys. I feel that engine moving around when I huck this car around, and of course, the transmission mounts too. Nobody makes any mounts outside of the inserts from VTT that I've seen

Shifter feel is still notchy even with a CAE shifter, but that's with the POM knob. Will be adding a latheworks titanium one shortly enough which will add a touch more heft.

[KCuv]

wouldn't have considered it if it was auto, for even a second. also, I have the carbon buckets, and have had the car for almost a year, not one time did the center carbon pp tray ever dig into my thigh and im 6'2. the amount that you feel that the seat is "off center," is never. its not noticeable by eye or feel, if reviews didnt say it, I wouldn't believe it. theyre the greatest seats offered in a new car today. why is everyone so weird lol.

[DrewNewM2]

Originally Posted by x622

If I do decide I like this chassis enough, I will have no qualms getting the CS because the manual transmission in this car is so mediocre. The shifting and driving experience from the factory is miserable.

#1, the factory shifter throw is too long, combined with the CDV and the usual insane clutch throw BMW loves makes it a chore to drive and not really feel "sporty"

#2 Adding a BMS clutch stop kit, deleting the CDV and now a CAE chassis shifter has resulted in a solid 5.5-6/10 shifting experience, if that. It's still just "OK". I would not classify it as enjoyable to drive, much less feel like a precision piece of equipment like say... a S2000 transmission.

#3 The factory flywheel feels like it weighs a billion tons and it takes seven months for it to achieve any sort of RPM. This just makes the engine feel "lazy". A 454 big block revs faster than this thing. Yes, this thing pulls when you're driving, but it doesn't feel "urgent". Maybe a tune with some timing in it will help.

#4 The factory engine mounts are squishy boys. I feel that engine moving around when I huck this car around, and of course, the transmission mounts too. Nobody makes any mounts outside of the inserts from VTT that I've seen

Shifter feel is still notchy even with a CAE shifter, but that's with the POM knob. Will be adding a latheworks titanium one shortly enough which will add a touch more heft.

All this and I would still take the manual again over an auto. Agreed with most of this. My 2020 STi manual is so much better. Once I start modding the G87, I will do SSK, CDV delete, aftermarket clutch , etc. and it will be better

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by x622

If I do decide I like this chassis enough, I will have no qualms getting the CS because the manual transmission in this car is so mediocre. The shifting and driving experience from the factory is miserable.

#1, the factory shifter throw is too long, combined with the CDV and the usual insane clutch throw BMW loves makes it a chore to drive and not really feel "sporty"

#2 Adding a BMS clutch stop kit, deleting the CDV and now a CAE chassis shifter has resulted in a solid 5.5-6/10 shifting experience, if that. It's still just "OK". I would not classify it as enjoyable to drive, much less feel like a precision piece of equipment like say... a S2000 transmission.

#3 The factory flywheel feels like it weighs a billion tons and it takes seven months for it to achieve any sort of RPM. This just makes the engine feel "lazy". A 454 big block revs faster than this thing. Yes, this thing pulls when you're driving, but it doesn't feel "urgent". Maybe a tune with some timing in it will help.

#4 The factory engine mounts are squishy boys. I feel that engine moving around when I huck this car around, and of course, the transmission mounts too. Nobody makes any mounts outside of the inserts from VTT that I've seen

Shifter feel is still notchy even with a CAE shifter, but that's with the POM knob. Will be adding a latheworks titanium one shortly enough which will add a touch more heft.

No offense but I think the issue here is your expectations, not the car 🙂

Just to pick out one point, the S2000 flywheel and shifter feel like they do because it has about as much torque as a lawnmower.

It’s a street car at the end of the day. I find the gearbox pretty good, and I’m coming from a GT4. That’s not to say it can’t be improved but there is a lot of hyperbole in your post. YMMV of course.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by DrewNewM2

All this and I would still take the manual again over an auto. Agreed with most of this. My 2020 STi manual is so much better. Once I start modding the G87, I will do SSK, CDV delete, aftermarket clutch , etc. and it will be better

I agree.
BMW is not known for great shifters in their MT.
The shifter in my E30 M3 was crap and I replaced it with a SSK. Same with my E36, had to go to a SSK. I even had an E12 5 series and guess what? The shifter was for crap.

I don't have high expectations for the G87 from past experience with my other MT BMWs. I figure the shifter mounts will need upgrading and the shifter also.

Let us not ignore that even people that own GT3s go and buy upgraded shifters.

So open your wallets and upgrade the crappy BMW shifter like we all know we will.