[mbanck]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Gee, I wonder who leaks such perfect photos...

Those photos aren't leaks, they have been published by BMW M on their Instagram account.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by ///Avera

I suppose it is a self defense mechanism on the part forum members to focus primarily on 'how it looks' . . . which is what BMW is hoping

Consumers have spoken and nobody wants these environmental catastrophes . . . particularly driving enthusiasts

Unfortunately, BMW went full-in on the agenda and cannot seem to put the brakes on production of these 2+ tone atrocities that nobody wants

///Avera

Tesla Plaid owners may disagree with you in that.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

You can’t be serious…

Look at the end to end lifecycle costs of EVs including extracting the raw materials/minerals out of the ground and the complete lack of unified standards/regulations for EV battery recycling.

Then consider their heavy weight, greatly increased wear on tires and brakes, added wear on roads. There is nothing environmentally friendly about them.

The lack of charging infrastructure, long charging times, and depreciation rates are strong negatives as well.

The previous Toyota CEO (Toyoda) had it right. For the materials in one EV he could build many small displacement hybrids and have much more benefit to the environment. (Orders of magnitude more)

Even when you include all the factors, EVs are still way more environmentally friendly than ICE vehicles.

You can look at these, or any other legitimate source and you can learn:
https://earthjustice.org/article/ele...%20or%20diesel.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/el...-vehicle-myths
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/09/12502...nmental-impact
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/23/nx-s1...ent-skepticism
https://www.statkraft.com/newsroom/n...ordinary-cars/

[Allerum]

Originally Posted by Maverick241

Hey nitwit, I don’t care what some lawyer makes them print on the website. Steer wheel nag was taken away in 12.4 period end of story. Attentiveness since then has been monitored by the cabin camera, if it sees you looking away from the road or holding a phone it warns you then disengages, it does NOT in any way require you to put your hands on the wheel anymore and hasn’t for months. For all intents and purpose it’s completely hands free whether you can comprehend this or not.

Want me to post 3 dozen more of these??

I swear it’s like taking to a friggen wall. Unbelievable

And again stop with “you are a Tesla fanboi durrrrrrr” crap. lol it’s nonsense. I own 2 BMWs they are my primary cars

Then why didn't you buy a plaid? its the only useful tesla.
The main reason I don't like tesla the inside is boring. Nothing else matters, it's boring to look at inside or interact. I'd rather have a Lucid.

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-...ngtechnologies

FSD runs through dear without a hint of stopping.

Great cherry picked article from an obviously biased snark rag showing a situation that no human (or LIDAR equipped) car would have avoided. But REDUNDANCY!! amirite?

[bunker]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Even when you include all the factors, EVs are still way more environmentally friendly than ICE vehicles.

You can look at these, or any other legitimate source and you can learn:
https://earthjustice.org/article/ele...%20or%20diesel.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/el...-vehicle-myths
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/09/12502...nmental-impact
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/23/nx-s1...ent-skepticism
https://www.statkraft.com/newsroom/n...ordinary-cars/

It's so nice when someone links to actual facts. Makes the conspiracy wonks go nuts. Thank you, friend from a blue state.

Personally, I think the profile of this car looks brilliant.

[ToMorNotToM]

Mein gott! Nein!!!!!

[HomieTheClown]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Even when you include all the factors, EVs are still way more environmentally friendly than ICE vehicles.
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What about the lack of engine revving or muffler sounds? Does any one who is pro electric M3 going to miss that. Besides the supposed excitement of the driving these cars with its dynamic handling and sports suspension, the sounds of an BEV would be lack the excitement of what makes a BMW (to me at least) a joy to own.

I guess I was wondering if anyone else cared about this???

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by HomieTheClown

What about the lack of engine revving or muffler sounds? Does any one who is pro electric M3 going to miss that. Besides the supposed excitement of the driving these cars with its dynamic handling and sports suspension, the sounds of an BEV would be lack the excitement of what makes a BMW (to me at least) a joy to own.

I guess I was wondering if anyone else cared about this???

That’s true. Everything is a compromise. When we switched from horses to cars we lost some things for sure. But we’ve gained a lot more.