[ASAP]

Originally Posted by X5MnM3comp

Because no one likes old stuff. The Motorola flip phone and the Nokia slim phones used to fit in our jean pocket nicely, today it’s a challenge with smartphones. but I don’t see people complain about iPhones for that reason. Yesterday we drove cars that run on gas, today we have self driving electric cars. It’s just how the world works. Whether we like it or not, we don’t get to choose, but eventually we adapt and realize how much better (more value )it is than before

You couldn't use an old Nokia or Motorola cell phone in today's world... in fact, I doubt you could use any phone older than 10 years old... its not really a viable comparo. Those phones didn't even have access to the internet nor run on today's LTE networks.

Nothing would prevent you from using a 20 year old car in any way different than one built today... in fact, outside of maybe the addition of carplay... there likely would be 0 difference in usability at all.... how is a 2004 toyota highlander different from today's in terms of usability? almost 0 lol

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

When I was a kid admiring the early M cars, I never thought I’d see this as the highest selling “M”. Motorsport is about street legal race cars, not this. No elitism intended but redefining M to this makes the whole thing meaningless.

exactly... that went completely out of the window the moment everyone turned to strictly volume sales and the m brand was entirely commodified... i remember back in the mid 2000s... an e46 m3 was a joy to see and rare in the world where it was limited to a niche crowd of well off enthusiasts... today, an m3... is really just another car

[Alfadreamer]

It’s only a true M car when you’ve taken it to the track.

[MaxVO2]

Originally Posted by Alfadreamer

It’s only a true M car when you’ve taken it to the track.

***Hmm. Took my M8 to the track so am happy it's a true M car now!

(My car wasn't on the actual track during the Preakness, I left it in the parking lot out back!)

[X5MnM3comp]

Originally Posted by ASAP

You couldn't use an old Nokia or Motorola cell phone in today's world... in fact, I doubt you could use any phone older than 10 years old... its not really a viable comparo. Those phones didn't even have access to the internet nor run on today's LTE networks.

Nothing would prevent you from using a 20 year old car in any way different than one built today... in fact, outside of maybe the addition of carplay... there likely would be 0 difference in usability at all.... how is a 2004 toyota highlander different from today's in terms of usability? almost 0 lol

The CarPlay example you brought up is exactly my point. And I guarantee just that alone, models without would be a deal breaker for 10s and thousands of buyers. And that’s only one aspect of the factor why people like new cars or new things in general. Aesthetic, performance, functionality, technology, technology integration with other technologies (sort of like what you pointed out why Nokia phones wouldn’t work today), reliability, value retention, and for some vanity etc are all reasons. Who the heck wants to spend the same amount of money to buy the same car with less options. Adding weight, enlarging the cabin space isn’t something driven by bmw or other manufacturers designers, it’s actually driven by us - consumers demand. For 1, people are bigger than before, have more kids, kids are bigger, more people have more shit, and all kinds of unnecessary shit anyone can or cannot think of are being sold and sadly we buy them, so more shit in the car. Then we want comfortable seats 6 adjustable not enough, we want 12,15…you get my point. Everything requires a module, all that means weight. But for bmw, they have to think how the heck do I incorporate all of that shit while maintaining or improving performance. Xdrive…

I’m sure none of these consumer demands mean a thing to you. And that’s totally ok. But note that manufacturers do not make their products based on a few scales if individual preferences, and as I referenced people, I meant the vast majority of consumers, the market which is the target to maximize their profitability.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by X5MnM3comp

The CarPlay example you brought up is exactly my point. And I guarantee just that alone, models without would be a deal breaker for 10s and thousands of buyers. And that’s only one aspect of the factor why people like new cars or new things in general. Aesthetic, performance, functionality, technology, technology integration with other technologies (sort of like what you pointed out why Nokia phones wouldn’t work today), reliability, value retention, and for some vanity etc are all reasons. Who the heck wants to spend the same amount of money to buy the same car with less options. Adding weight, enlarging the cabin space isn’t something driven by bmw or other manufacturers designers, it’s actually driven by us - consumers demand. For 1, people are bigger than before, have more kids, kids are bigger, more people have more shit, and all kinds of unnecessary shit anyone can or cannot think of are being sold and sadly we buy them, so more shit in the car. Then we want comfortable seats 6 adjustable not enough, we want 12,15…you get my point. Everything requires a module, all that means weight. But for bmw, they have to think how the heck do I incorporate all of that shit while maintaining or improving performance. Xdrive…

I’m sure none of these consumer demands mean a thing to you. And that’s totally ok. But note that manufacturers do not make their products based on a few scales if individual preferences, and as I referenced people, I meant the vast majority of consumers, the market which is the target to maximize their profitability.

i say this again... outside of carplay (which can be retrofitted to most cars) and the introduction of EVs (which are barely selling right now)... there haven't been many innovations to cars that change the experience or how a car drives... if people want the newest flashiest thing at a cost, that is there prerogative but outside of that... there is nothing stopping anyone from driving a 20 year old car... in fact, the average age of cars in the USA on the roads is 13 years old which even predates car play and this age goes up every year...

this has nothing to do with cell phone tech development which renders old phones useless on our networks, outside of any internet usability, security etc... your comparos are not like and make 0 sense at all

[X5MnM3comp]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i say this again... outside of carplay (which can be retrofitted to most cars) and the introduction of EVs (which are barely selling right now)... there haven't been many innovations to cars that change the experience or how a car drives... if people want the newest flashiest thing at a cost, that is there prerogative but outside of that... there is nothing stopping anyone from driving a 20 year old car... in fact, the average age of cars in the USA on the roads is 13 years old which even predates car play and this age goes up every year...

this has nothing to do with cell phone tech development which renders old phones useless on our networks, outside of any internet usability, security etc... your comparos are not like and make 0 sense at all

I’m sorry it seems that you’re not getting what I’m saying. All of your points are completely valid, but know they are your individual points of view. Your original statement which I tried to convey was that, why people buy into all of the “useless” things added which resulted in weight increase to new models; why does bmw make all these none sense changes, and why do people still buy them rather than finding a used basic functional and performance comparable model as their preference when it comes to car buying. I believe that’s the fact you couldn’t understand, correct me if I understood it wrong.

So my point to explain was trying to make you understand, although you make completely valid points on your preference, you do not represent the vast majority and their desire for what they’d want in new cars. And if those new features are desired by the vast majority of the market, those aligned changes will be incorporated in the new cars and that higher price tags can be applied whether you like it or not, whether you think they add any value or not. The proven fact is new models supply are not able to suffice demand. And from a foundational perspective, change is the key element that evolves the environment of world we live in.