[bloung5]

I was almost going to pick out a very closely spec'ed to my order car this morning but honestly I thought, eh I'm going to wait until my April delivery to see what's going to happen. There's a lot to be determined here, it's obvious, and it may end up having a review that rescinds/stalls etc. the grandstanding going on by this administration. Right now it's a lot of "We're big and bad look at us" decisions going on. I'll give it time when it comes to my m2 purchase. If it's marked up higher and I still want it, then i'll get it.

Otherwise, I'll check out lightly used ones.

[Crazyotter]

Originally Posted by IanH

If you can watch this video and still think that tariffs are a good idea, then well... you didn't understand the video

https://youtu.be/K0V8kZyl1T0?si=Hhm8QHR5TjDPs6OY

Anyway, pretty clear explanation of what will happen due to tariffs, as unbiased a look as you could hope to get.

Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by bloung5

I was almost going to pick out a very closely spec'ed to my order car this morning but honestly I thought, eh I'm going to wait until my April delivery to see what's going to happen. There's a lot to be determined here, it's obvious, and it may end up having a review that rescinds/stalls etc. the grandstanding going on by this administration. Right now it's a lot of "We're big and bad look at us" decisions going on. I'll give it time when it comes to my m2 purchase. If it's marked up higher and I still want it, then i'll get it.

Otherwise, I'll check out lightly used ones.

Same

[two_three_two]

will used prices go up or down as an orphan model if this plays out to its logical conclusion (cancellation of the nameplate for the US market)? i think it will depend on BMWs response in the lineup. i've hypothesized previously that BMW might bring over G80/2 "pure" (read: stripper) models like they did down under for the F80s. i think if BMW appropriately fills the baby M car vacancy in such a fashion that used M2 prices might actually get weaker.

i would imagine the next 7 days will give us a lot of clarity. for all we know this tariff lasts about as long as the Columbian one did.

[Tag]

Hate to break it to any that is thinking of getting an M3/4 if the M2 is no longer feasible. Tariffs have also been proposed for the EU. No idea when those would go into effect through, but it appears it would be sometime in the very near future.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by Tag

Hate to break it to any that is thinking of getting an M3/4 if the M2 is no longer feasible. Tariffs have also been proposed for the EU. No idea when those would go into effect through, but it appears it would be sometime in the very near future.

Porsche owners are going to start to argue over who paid the most ADM plus tariffs.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by robopp

Porsche owners are going to start to argue over who paid the most ADM plus tariffs.

They should sponsor to pay for anyone buying an M2. Massive bragging right brah! Amirite?

[skier219]

Originally Posted by robopp

Honestly curious what you consider a more compelling vehicle than an M3 for the money?

There is about a $10-12K jump from M2 to M3/M4 based on my specs and that gets up to $90K or so. At that point I start thinking about getting back into a 718 Cayman or Spyder for a bit more money, or getting one of the collector cars on my wishlist like a first-gen NSX.

I guess I felt like the M2 was a good price point to be at (dare I use the phrase "good value") but the M3/M4 not so much.

Pre-owned M3/M4 may make more sense if I can find a nice one. They take a hefty depreciation hit in the first couple years.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by robopp

Porsche owners are going to start to argue over who paid the most ADM plus tariffs.

LMAO!!

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Actually BMW AG sell the car to BMW USA at a wholesale price and the car is turn sold to the dealer then to the customer.

The tariff will be on the price sold to BMW USA. This has to be a real price or they will fine and claw back money from BMW.

For tried some shenanigans with van imports and got caught.

Work around for BMW NA to have a Mexico delivery program ASAP similar to the former European Delivery program, as the M2 would be considered a used car when BMW AG imports/sells to BMW NA and would subject to a reduction in the tariff amount.

Just imagine if the XM was assembled in Mexico. Talk about a tariff.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by skier219

There is about a $10-12K jump from M2 to M3/M4 based on my specs and that gets up to $90K or so. At that point I start thinking about getting back into a 718 Cayman or Spyder for a bit more money, or getting one of the collector cars on my wishlist like a first-gen NSX.

I guess I felt like the M2 was a good price point to be at (dare I use the phrase "good value") but the M3/M4 not so much.

Pre-owned M3/M4 may make more sense if I can find a nice one. They take a hefty depreciation hit in the first couple years.

I appreciate the response, but I don’t get how you can go from a M3 to a 718 or NSX. They’re completely different use cases. If you have no kids - 1000% a two seater something. If you have a kid, that rear seat is nice. I have a 911 speced by me with no rear seat and a X3MC. I drove the 911 2000 miles last year and that was an effort. Granted my kid’s 3, but still. I’m buying my M3 because it’s something I think I’ll actually use and I won’t feel so bad about not driving my 911.

[IanH]

Just for reference, I quite successfully move my kids around in my 240. 4 and 2, can't really comfortably fit a passenger up front at the moment but that will eventually change.

Evenflo 360 means that the rear facing seat is only backwards when she is in it.

[skier219]

Originally Posted by robopp

I appreciate the response, but I don’t get how you can go from a M3 to a 718 or NSX. They’re completely different use cases.

What, you want this to be logical? Did I accidentally stray into the sensible transportation forum? I have an oddball mix of sports cars and these all fit into a broad category of dumb MT sports cars to spend money on.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by skier219

What, you want this to be logical? Did I accidentally stray into the sensible transportation forum? I have an oddball mix of sports cars and these all fit into a broad category of dumb MT sports cars to spend money on.

Fair enough! I was honestly just hoping you’d open my eyes to something I hadn’t considered, but I’m all onboard the dumb MT cars! I have a similar addiction/blindness

[robopp]

Originally Posted by IanH

Just for reference, I quite successfully move my kids around in my 240. 4 and 2, can't really comfortably fit a passenger up front at the moment but that will eventually change.

Evenflo 360 means that the rear facing seat is only backwards when she is in it.

The cars listed above literally don’t have backseats…

[IanH]

Originally Posted by robopp

The cars listed above literally don’t have backseats…

No way! Jesus man you think I'm stupid or something?

People generally say you shouldn't/ can't use the m2 for kids, but you definitely can. The only thing that really would be tough is 0-9mos because you'd basically have to leave the passenger seat forward.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by skier219

There is about a $10-12K jump from M2 to M3/M4 based on my specs and that gets up to $90K or so. At that point I start thinking about getting back into a 718 Cayman or Spyder for a bit more money, or getting one of the collector cars on my wishlist like a first-gen NSX.

I guess I felt like the M2 was a good price point to be at (dare I use the phrase "good value") but the M3/M4 not so much.

Pre-owned M3/M4 may make more sense if I can find a nice one. They take a hefty depreciation hit in the first couple years.

My G82 M4 came $97k almost fully specced except for the carbon seats. The only 718 that can compare to a G82 is the GTS which starts at $99k and with comparable options comes to $110k. The 718 is not nearly as daily drivable as the G80/G82 and not as good a GT cruiser. It’s a true sports car with sports car compromises.

Of course, the G87 has more bang for the buck, and a different enough driving experience compared to the G80/2 to convince me to trade my M4 for one, but that doesn’t mean the G80/2 isn’t a good price point. It’s such a great vehicle for the money.

[T.R.S.]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

I’d have to cringe every time ‘I’d look at that front face.

Just do it doggie style.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by skier219

What, you want this to be logical? Did I accidentally stray into the sensible transportation forum? I have an oddball mix of sports cars and these all fit into a broad category of dumb MT sports cars to spend money on.

Yeah, I go cars that I find interesting…no rhyme or reason lol.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by jmg

My G82 M4 came $97k almost fully specced except for the carbon seats. The only 718 that can compare to a G82 is the GTS which starts at $99k and with comparable options comes to $110k. The 718 is not nearly as daily drivable as the G80/G82 and not as good a GT cruiser. It’s a true sports car with sports car compromises.

Of course, the G87 has more bang for the buck, and a different enough driving experience compared to the G80/2 to convince me to trade my M4 for one, but that doesn’t mean the G80/2 isn’t a good price point. It’s such a great vehicle for the money.

how do you compare the g82 to g87?

namely referring to stock high speed stability... traction etc

[Ronin76]

Tonight at midnight, everybody…

[skier219]

Originally Posted by robopp

Fair enough! I was honestly just hoping you’d open my eyes to something I hadn’t considered, but I’m all onboard the dumb MT cars! I have a similar addiction/blindness

I have been buying MT sports cars/sedans and hanging on to them for dear life over the last 5-6 years with the writing on the wall, and we are really down to slim pickings now. I really wish there were more options in four-doors but it's basically lower priced cars like Elantra N, WRX, Civic Type R, on up to the Integra Type S at around $55K. Then a pretty hefty $30-40K jump to a Blackwing or M3.

I have an Integra Type S now, and it's got some great characteristics (steering, handling, and shifter way ahead of BMW) but lacks the cohesiveness, sophistication, and refinement the BMW M cars have (all with pros/cons of course). It's just unfortunate there is such a price gap up to an M3 if I want a manual sedan with 4 doors. M2 is a great compromise in the middle if 2 doors are enough, but if that gets hit with a 25% tariff and some/all of that gets passed to the customer it's a very tough sell for me.