[Game]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

It's in this article: https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/...3ck8fHa.S3fpgi

However, nothing official from BMW.

No tests were done. "Expected" doesn't mean much.

"At an expected 4.2 seconds from 0-100km/h, the version equipped with the eight-speed Steptronic automatic matches the acceleration time recorded for the M4 with a manual transmission. The provisional number for the do-it-yourself M2 is 4.5 seconds."

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by Game

No tests were done. "Expected" doesn't mean much.

"At an expected 4.2 seconds from 0-100km/h, the version equipped with the eight-speed Steptronic automatic matches the acceleration time recorded for the M4 with a manual transmission. The provisional number for the do-it-yourself M2 is 4.5 seconds."

Exactly...Just pointing out what I read.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by MmmmmM2

Exactly...Just pointing out what I read.

That's 0-100 km/hr, which is 0-62. Typically those values are a couple of tenths off from 0-60 mph.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by Game

This is a first. Someone that wants the G8x grill on this car.

Proof that you can't please everyone.

Sigh! The irony here is that everybody wants BMW to build them a bespoke car and sell it for no more than say 60k. Otherwise, there will be outrage and sanctions which will result in the wife and kids all upgrading to imaginary 911 GT3 /GT4's.

[koastal]

Originally Posted by Game

No tests were done. "Expected" doesn't mean much.

"At an expected 4.2 seconds from 0-100km/h, the version equipped with the eight-speed Steptronic automatic matches the acceleration time recorded for the M4 with a manual transmission. The provisional number for the do-it-yourself M2 is 4.5 seconds."

I suspect because its heavy and doesn't have DCT

[solstice]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Sigh! The irony here is that everybody wants BMW to build them a bespoke car and sell it for no more than say 60k. Otherwise, there will be outrage and sanctions which will result in the wife and kids all upgrading to imaginary 911 GT3 /GT4's.

Fair.

I summarized what the M head of engineering said as, we could have spent all budget to keep it light weight as the F87 and not been able to spend anything on progress or we could make it a smaller M4 giving it all the M4 progress (beefy bracings, a lot more tire etc.) with the accompanying weight penalties. We chose the latter.

It sounds like the G87 is an engine and suspension software upgrade away from performance wise being a full blown M4 for maybe $15-$20k less out of the door. And as for the engine, the G87 tune might even turn out to be the sweet spot for the S58 in terms of character.

Further when the M4 get the MHEV upgrade to keep far enough ahead maybe the G87 get the full M4C tune…

All that said, did we really need a cheaper M4 or something more different? I’m not sure myself.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by trey100

That's 0-100 km/hr, which is 0-62. Typically those values are a couple of tenths off from 0-60 mph.

I think it beats this:

[kyrix1st]

Manual is the only way to go, especially when you hear that terrible shift lag on the ZF8. Genuinely sucks that they spent zero time improving one of the crucial interaction points in a car.

[Game]

Looks like the car is back at the Nurburgring, so expect more action shots. Though at this point what else do we need other than a camo-less car?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Game

Looks like the car is back at the Nurburgring, so expect more action shots. Though at this point what else do we need other than a camo-less car?

Love me some 'action shots', especially when they slowly peel off the covers and reveal more.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Manual is the only way to go, especially when you hear that terrible shift lag on the ZF8. Genuinely sucks that they spent zero time improving one of the crucial interaction points in a car.

Very curious if they were able to improve things on the CSL, it's fine (even on track) but you can't hide the pedestrian transmission in some situations.

[Project_F87]

Was talking to Joe Achilles earlier today and he was telling me the new M2 is much faster but more numb compared to the last M2. He is going to go into more detail later, as he had just arrived at FOS and couldn't keep talking, but I'll report his further details on here once we talk more.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Project_F87

Was talking to Joe Achilles earlier today and he was telling me the new M2 is much faster but more numb compared to the last M2. He is going to go into more detail later, as he had just arrived at FOS and couldn't keep talking, but I'll report his further details on here once we talk more.

I'd like to know what exactly he thought was more numb. During his test drive he mentioned that the front didn't have as much grip as an M3/4. Did he think to factor in that the track was covered in pollen?

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by Tag

I'd like to know what exactly he thought was more numb. During his test drive he mentioned that the front didn't have as much grip as an M3/4. Did he think to factor in that the track was covered in pollen?

Yeah not too sure. Have no idea tbh. Guess we shall see

[EXE46]

Not sure I buy what Joe is selling considering he swapped his RWD for an Xdrive M3. G87 should have the same steering rack and therefore should have better feedback since it's a much smaller/lighter car.

[VIERsr]

Joe is just an influencer - without YouTube no one would know of his existence - he's not a professional driver or technical expert, he's just a car lover with not so much experience and driving skills, let's wait for more competent, professional and unabashed opinions (e.g. Chris Harris).
However, we didn't need Joe Achilles to know that a heavier car with a longer wheelbase and wider tires is more numb, it's just physics.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

Joe is just an influencer - without YouTube no one would know of his existence - he's not a professional driver or technical expert, he's just a car lover with not so much experience and driving skills,

You forgot to talk about is "chauffeur" experience I just see him a general car enthousiast trying to make a living using internet 2.0

https://joeachilles.com/

[strohw]

Originally Posted by PLF69

You forgot to talk about is "chauffeur" experience I just see him a general car enthousiast trying to make a living using internet 2.0

https://joeachilles.com/

Ummm...Chauffeur AND Chaperon. Please don't diminish his babysitting experience.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by PLF69

You forgot to talk about is "chauffeur" experience I just see him a general car enthousiast trying to make a living using internet 2.0

https://joeachilles.com/

OMG I didn't know that!!

[Tag]

[Tag]

Can't wait to see it in the colored camo ripping around the Nürburgring and overtaking some Audi's.

[GrannyShiftG80]

not sure if anyone has done this yet but one of my German friends translated the main points from the autobild video:

Here's what the guy said:
450bhp, extreme fun at 6-7k revs
Has a lot of tech from m4, feels like one on the track
Has torque vectoring
Great handling at the limit (he drove Salzburg Ring)
Incredible corner handling, good weight balance between front and back
No carbon breaks
Good sound, adjustable
Available as 6 gear manual shift and automatic. He's a purist and prefers manual. The manual is very very precise and fast.
Step from last m2 to this one is bigger than usual, even a good step up from m2 competition