[Flying Ace]

no I think management is the problem. Kap is part of the problem, but it's management and the offensive coordinator and head coach. There's just some type of toxic dysfunctional relationship between management and the coaches and players that it's affecting the entire team's performance.

[yakuza70]

Any way we can trade Jed York for Eddie Debartolo?

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by OneRib

That's a good question, but I would say Kap didn't save his coaches job this year.

Harbaugh has been described as a short termer since he was hired. He has a rep for being difficult to deal with (sort of like Parcels).
When you can't get a deal done after you go to the Super Bowl and three NFC championship games, it's more than this one season.
When you look at long term coaching regimes, its more than just winning. Ownership, management, and coaching all need to be able to function together. Kap has easily won enough to keep any coach from being fired unless there is something else going on.

Many of the teams issues (lack of WR production, wasting timeouts, slow to get plays off, and bad challenges) were there when Alex Smith was QB.

I agree Kap needs to improve, but no way is it all on him.

One last thing, the 49ers are kidding themselves if they think they are going to get a bounty by trading Harbaugh. He controls if the trade goes through and he is the type who will coach out his last year or force you to fire him before he cripples his future team by giving up high picks. I would love to get inside accounts of what really happened in the building.

This, x1000. Anyone remember deion sanders saying he had an inside source about the undoing of harbaugh a couple months back? Would love to know who that was.. but we never will.


It's kinda like that whole drama with Percy Harvin, people said he got into a fight with tate the day before the SB, and NOBODY said anything. which is insane, imo. Esp, the day before the SB. All of a sudden he gets cut, people are wondering why, then they start saying he was a cancer etc... But there was zero information to go off of.. that story/trade still boggles my mind of how sneaky it was.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

This, x1000. Anyone remember deion sanders saying he had an inside source about the undoing of harbaugh a couple months back? Would love to know who that was.. but we never will.


It's kinda like that whole drama with Percy Harvin, people said he got into a fight with tate the day before the SB, and NOBODY said anything. which is insane, imo. Esp, the day before the SB. All of a sudden he gets cut, people are wondering why, then they start saying he was a cancer etc... But there was zero information to go off of.. that story/trade still boggles my mind of how sneaky it was.

I thought tate was hooking up with Wilson's wife.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I thought tate was hooking up with Wilson's wife.

i have no idea really.


all nba/nfl wives hop around anyway. so probably

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

i have no idea really.


all nba/nfl wives hop around anyway. so probably

That's why pro athletes shouldn't have wives. Too many options anyway to be faithful. I'd have to party til my dick fell off.

[Flying Ace]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

. I'd have to party til my dick fell off.

That'll only happen if you rock out with your cock out

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

That'll only happen if you rock out with your cock out

I would and hang out with my Wang out also.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

That's why pro athletes shouldn't have wives. Too many options anyway to be faithful. I'd have to party til my dick fell off.

Unnecessary roughness, 15" penalty.

[Vectors2final]

Not much to say other than I'm glad.

Like I said before, you can't go three years running the same shit. Every team knew our MO this year. With regression from almost every position, there was nothing they can do. It's time to actually spend money on real talent, and make some real changes. Say by to a lot of "household" names like Crab and Vernon.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Unnecessary roughness, 15" penalty.

Oh well hawks are know for excessive penalties.

[BKap08]

crab might be able to stick around if he doesnt demand a big contract, hes nowhere near that good of a player, vernon is gone without a doubt, I really hope that gore doesnt leave and i believe that Jsmith is done too

[bmw1racer]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Unnecessary roughness, 15" penalty.

15 inches?

That's a short penalty.

[Vectors2final]

Originally Posted by BKap08

crab might be able to stick around if he doesnt demand a big contract, hes nowhere near that good of a player, vernon is gone without a doubt, I really hope that gore doesnt leave and i believe that Jsmith is done too

I only see Gore staying if the deal is cheap... Even then, that's a stretch. They paid Kendall, but he still has to recover and make it through OTA's, etc. Fangio said something about a plan to get Cowboy to stay, but I think he's gone, too. I also don't see Crabtree being reasonable, unless he takes a one year deal.

Originally Posted by bmw1racer

15 inches?

That's a short penalty.

[TrevorM3]

gives us vernon, jesus christ we needa a tight end.

[OneRib]

Vernon is a maybe. It depends on why he has been poor this year. Every year players play hurt and you don't hear anything until the season is over. If its disinterest or age then I could see him being cut or having his salary reduced.

Gore likely won't be back because he is now too limited as a player. No one respects his outside running and that makes the team's run game very limited when he is on the field. I love him as a pass blocker and inside runner, but that might not be enough.

J Smith will be back if he likes the direction the team goes in this offseason.

Crabtree is not coming back. Not worth the money. Too slow, overrated hands, and will be too expensive. Also the ball gets forced to him too much, as if he is a physical freak who can catch balls when he is covered. He is not a bum, but also not a top WR.

Iupati won't be back because he will want too much money and the IR'ed rookie Thomas wqas drafted to replace him.

Good news is 49ers do get back Willis, Bowman, and Kilgore.
Draft needs include RB, WR, CB, D-line, TE, and QB. We need some speed on offense.

[Wraith.]

McDonald released amid another assault allegation........

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...-investigation

[OneRib]

Originally Posted by Wraith.

McDonald released amid another assault allegation........

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...-investigation

See my above post. Draft needs D-line.

What a wasted season. Well they might as well lose the next two games and get a better draft position.

[BKap08]

Originally Posted by Wraith.

McDonald released amid another assault allegation........

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...-investigation

its a shame too because he was having his best season

[Wraith.]

So no one ever wants to admit it but are you guys seeing the next couple of years a rebuilding period?

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by Wraith.

So no one ever wants to admit it but do you guys seeing the next couple of years a rebuilding period?

according to this thread, it may be. Alot of people here are saying players could leave etc. Niners are on the way out. I would say Seattle will be up top for another year or two, then AZ and STL will begin to reign atop the nfc west.


The timeline of power in the nfl is short lived.

[SSW]

Originally Posted by Wraith.

So no one ever wants to admit it but do you guys seeing the next couple of years a rebuilding period?

I think that it's pretty clear that the Niners are in disarray and that some serious "rebuilding" needs to be done and I think that it will take more than a couple of years to fix things.

As a long time Niners fan, I remember how long it took for the Niners to become a championship contenting team. Before 1981, when the Niners remarkably won their 1st Superbowl, the last time they were even in a "championship" game was in 1949, which they lost to the Cleveland Browns.

I was born in 1950, so didn't have the privilege of "being there" in 49, but I was a Niners "fan" for THIRTY YEARS (from 1960-1980) through the Tittle, Brodie, Plunkett and Deberg years, when the Niners never won a single conference or division title, before they won the SB in 1981.

With the arrival of Walsh in 1979 and Montana in 1981 and the transition to Seifert in 1989 and Young in 1991, the Niners became the team to beat in the 1980-90's -- apparently always in contention and winning 5 Superbowls in 11 years in that time. Beginning of the end of that era started w/Seifert's resignation in 1996 and Young's retirement in 1999 and concluded w/Mariucci's and Garcia's division title loss in 2002. The Niners did not begin to win again until Harbaugh arrived in 2011 -- 9 years later -- after they tried and gave up on Erikson (remember him?), Nolan, Singletary and Tomsula as head coach.

So, if Harbaugh leaves, we could see the same string of head coach try outs as we did between 2003-2010 before the Niners can find THE coach that can put this team back together. On the other hand, if Harbaugh stays, he'll have to figure out if he can stick w/his decision to go w/Kap as his QB or, do what he did to Smith, and bench him and go in another direction.

BTW, I just discovered that the Niners can bail on Kap w/o any financial risk whatsoever. Read about it here. So, if the Niners get rid of Harbaugh, they can start fresh and get rid of Kap too.

If they do that, the "only" problem will be to find a qualified head coach and a new "franchise" QB. Don't think there are many (if any) of either of those available out there right now. So, depending on what transpires, it could take a VERY LONG time before the Niners get the team back on track again.

We'll see . . .