[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by snareman

I dunno. I would definitely not get the Blackwing because See #2, but if I was going to get a sedan I'd consider the M5 assuming it was in my price range.

I was considering an M5 but with 4200-ish lbs and similar size dimensions to a dodge caravan, I was quick to move on.
I've driven the CS. Its FAST but it's not what im looking for.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I was considering an M5 but with 4200-ish lbs and similar size dimensions to a dodge caravan, I was quick to move on.
I've driven the CS. Its FAST but it's not what im looking for.

But the engine is a bit nicer than a Dodge Caravan.

[Tarmac]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

Be careful now all. BMWs dating back to the E30 are still worth their weight in gold and more so then the new counterparts..

Some youngsters just doesnt respect their elders 😊

[m2ss]

I simply don't understand why the G87 crowd gets so wound up over a bunch of anonymous opinions trashing the appearance of their cars. Really, WGAS! I remember when I bought the 1M and read all the online comments about it being a "parts bin Frankenstein/afterthought" lol, it didn't affect me one iota cause I loved driving it.

Some folks hereabouts hate the look of the F87, doesn't bother me in the least. As someone that will test drive the G87, that is what will persuade me one way or the other, not what some fool on a message board thinks about the hood bumper tie in.

Fact is I haven't read any negative reports about its capabilities (other than the Laurel & Hardy Show we all know as TH), talk about losing credibility going forward.

Can you imagine if it was universally attractive yet underperformed? Now that would be truly ugly...

[kyrix1st]

I find it cool because the car looks gundam. I know some won't like that but I'm not bothered by the fact.

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by F82///M4

I said scotch 🤷‍♂️

You’re talking about Whiskey not Whisky

Oh no, I'm definitely talking about whisky, sans e.

http://www.sullivanscove.com/

For example.

[AUSf22]

What on earth did I just read LOL ..

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by AndreM2

Why do you think bmw makes no effort to make the car lighter?

Because that effort costs money, and then the M2 wouldn't exist for anything less than CSL money. In other words, it wouldn't be a base M2 at all.

Originally Posted by AndreM2

Yes you still can enjoy these cars but as long as the masses keeps on buying these cars the next one is even bigger and heavier. Nothing will change.

Not seeing the problem? People want to buy it, but you want BMW to stop making it? How does that make sense for either buyers or BMW?

I guess I just find it weird that people keeping wanting the BASE M2 to be a Lotus or a Porsche. That's not what it is, that's a different kind of car.

I think the M2 is not intended for you, but it IS intended for me, so please quit trying to change it. You already have cars that do what you want, don't try to take the car I want away from me.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by G80S58

Imagine needing other peoples opinion to decide on if you should buy the car or not. It's your money and you will be driving it, if you like it buy it and enjoy it. Its not life or death. For the F87 folks hating on the G87, great! enjoy your old tech car, older engine, boring interior. But to bash it and say its the ugliest car they have ever seen? come on now... thats child speak and thats where the line is drawn.

So you wanted to imply that your post has an elevated and balanced attitude, yet you end up by bashing the F87 people… Got it!

Hypocryte much?

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by G80S58

There's more to buying a car just for the looks, esp an M car.

Of course there is! Techologically, beautiful machine. But the new design turned me off on two M’s already and in one case I gave up my allocation.
It can be the most awesome car in the world. The way it looks and the interior are key elements for me. I want to love the car not accept it.

This car, for me, is beyond ugly. But, as said, this is a subjective matter. Some buy it because they love it, some accept it because “there’s more than just the looks”, some really don’t care. Each with its own.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Of course there is! Techologically, beautiful machine. But the new design turned me off on two M’s already and in one case I gave up my allocation.
It can be the most awesome car in the world. The way it looks and the interior are key elements for me. I want to love the car not accept it.

This car, for me, is beyond ugly. But, as said, this is a subjective matter. Some buy it because they love it, some accept it because “there’s more than just the looks”, some really don’t care. Each with its own.

There seems to be this ugly trend with many of the recent new BMW models. Who was in charge of designing the M2? Was it Dukec? There is also the new 7, the XM, G8x. I'm REALLY hoping that whatever this rumored thing that they are coming out with around 25 that is allegedly going to be a mashup of the 4 and 8 doesn't look hideous since I'm hoping that's my next car.

[Crusader]

Originally Posted by ihbase

For weeks, anyone with eyesight and even the slightest appreciation for design principles has been piling on the new M2 as flat out ugly. Everyone, including Frank, and all of us who wish we had Frank's talent, were wrong. And this is why.

With the G87, BMW got the important design criteria correct; the hard points are perfect and an LCI can could easily correct the two obvious failures.

First, the hard points. I've attached a couple photos of a car I looked at yesterday. I left with this thought: The G87 is to the F87 as the F87 was to the E82 (1M) - each successor makes its predecessor look and feel mild. I sold a 135is before buying an f87. The 135is had 2 things in spades on the M2; steering feedback and sound. But the f87 is an objectively better car. Same with the g87 and the f87. There are exactly two compromises (unmentioned here), but the g87 is an objectively better car using the criteria relevant to the segment.

There. I said it.

The tile lines on floor in the photos below provide reference for how aggressively the fenders flair out from the body. Note the rocker width; it's massive! Also note how the rocker now sweeps up to protect the leading edge of the rear fender. This means that after minor contact or tons of rock chips, you are buying a rocker and not body filler. Thanks BMW.

Next, when you sit in the driver's seat of the g87, observe the outside character lines of the hood. These have the effect of diminishing the visual width of the car- just as the perfect hood lines of the e90 performed the same function. It is a design criteria feature lost with the f-gen cars and I'm glad it is back with the g87.

Last, note the proportion of the rear quarter to the rest of the car. Unlike my f87, the rear quarter proportions appear less awkward. And while I'm picking on my f87, let's be honest about its own glaring design failure- the fake fender vents. The G87 has done away with them. Point g87.

In sum, the hard points from the front fenders, hood / cowl height, rockers, roof and rear quarter are each extraordinary. I recommend that when viewing the new M2 in person for the first time, inspecting those aspects closely. A healthy appreciation for BMW's design success with the hard points is helpful when confronting the failures- the front and rear bumper covers.

And man, those two soft points are ugly. The upside is this; those are not hard points - which means that unlike cowl height or roofline, they can easily be remedied at the LCI stage or with whatever versions BMW will subsequently issue like trading cards.

The interior? Well, hate to say it, but the seats and materials feel like a step up from my f87. The sound system is superior. And while the massive screens are not my favorite, they are well laid out (boost gauge!), intuitive, and other people make like them just fine- that, screen presence, is much more subjective whereas the hard points on the g87 are objectively beautiful. I dislike screens. You may love them.

The net net is this: I was wrong. The g87 feels like an excellent successor to the f87. The hard points are a stunning design achievement. Let's hope the factory corrects those absurd bumper covers in subsequent versions of the M2.

Whether g87 succeeds in becoming the last best ICE BMW, or whether the F87 will retain that crown, requires the hindsight of history.

That said, did I trade my f87? Hell no. I appreciate the rowdy nature of the f87 and I have regretted selling cars in the past. I'm just saying that I was wrong about the G87- from a design perspective, and when viewed in person, its hard points are design perfection.

Maybe ask me about trading again sometime after the LCI.

I think BMW has been on a downhill slope with styling since their high point with the E39/E46/E92. The bodies are too busy with many needless details and shapes that don't conform to the overall design; All the squared-off bits on the G87 body as an example. The M3/4 grills are hideous. OTOH, all the other manufacturers seem headed in the same direction.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Crusader

I think BMW has been on a downhill slope with styling since their high point with the E39/E46/E92. The bodies are too busy with many needless details and shapes that don't conform to the overall design; All the squared-off bits on the G87 body as an example. The M3/4 grills are hideous. OTOH, all the other manufacturers seem headed in the same direction.

Yea, everyone was going to mongo grilles and I always appreciated that BMW didn't jump on the bandwagon, until they did. I thought look at them being their own company and not giving in, until they did.

[npirnia]

Originally Posted by Crusader

I think BMW has been on a downhill slope with styling since their high point with the E39/E46/E92. The bodies are too busy with many needless details and shapes that don't conform to the overall design; All the squared-off bits on the G87 body as an example. The M3/4 grills are hideous. OTOH, all the other manufacturers seem headed in the same direction.

The E90 won Top Gear’s ugliest car of the year award in 2005:
https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9872

It’s in good company being mentioned in this forum.

-Nick

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by F82///M4

Gotcha. I kinda figured this was going to be the case with the G80. Cruise missile sounds about right from my test drive. I will have iDrive 8 also with the giant screen. It’s ok just wish they had integrated it better into the dash. Tacked on afterthought. I speced the laser lights also. Dissapointing. This will be my first sedan in 15 years. Kids and family eventually win out. Ha. I just couldn’t do an SUV/X3M so G80 it is.

Ok. Back on topic. The new G87 sucks blah blah blah…….Haha

Yea, I considered the X3M but it just didn't do it. For one, it didn't have a tow hitch option, so it's completely useless as an SUV. And then of course, it's also not a WBS car.

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

Yea, I considered the X3M but it just didn't do it. For one, it didn't have a tow hitch option, so it's completely useless as an SUV. And then of course, it's also not a WBS car.

Haha. Fake ///M. Unpopular opinion but I’m with you.

[Jack@AUTOID]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

And a nice rear spoiler replacement of course

We can help with the spoiler

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by sl0m0

I think that the E46 was the worst designed m vehicles, and bmw has never recovered until now. Good thing looks are subjective and performance is objective.

What?

[Donolotti]

This is so funny to me. This big artical on what someone thinks of the looks def changed my mind that the car is not ugly anymore…

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

What?

I know, we all have different perspectives and opinions, crazy huh? I personally love the e36, had posters of it as a kid, saved up and got one when I was 21, and it's still one of the coolest cars to me. That's probably why I love the g87, it's like a modern blend of the e30/e36

[SW19]

Originally Posted by snareman

There seems to be this ugly trend with many of the recent new BMW models. Who was in charge of designing the M2? Was it Dukec? There is also the new 7, the XM, G8x. I'm REALLY hoping that whatever this rumored thing that they are coming out with around 25 that is allegedly going to be a mashup of the 4 and 8 doesn't look hideous since I'm hoping that's my next car.

The Mexican bmw designer Jose Casas.He also designed the G42.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by SW19

The Mexican bmw designer Jose Casas.He also designed the G42.

The g42 is a much better looking car. Personal opinion obviously. I guess he is there 2 series guy. BMW needs to revamp their designer lineup.