[icegrill]

Originally Posted by G99M5

same car from a video game on playstation that I play

I wish! Love this 3.0 hommage.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by G99M5

same car from a video game on playstation that I play

Love how the bumper smoothly transitions to where the reflectors would be, looks really good. Not sure why they gave the G87 creases towards either end of the bumper. Would have looked awesome If they replicated this Vision Gran Turismo rear bumper. Would have kept the boxy design but implemented more elegantly.

[W00PS]

Originally Posted by M3WC

I agree, it is a combination of launch color, lighting, angle or fisheye effect of the camera. I think it has real potential.

This. The bulgi-ness of the bumper is exacerbated by the high angle, color and lighting.

Maybe the car isn't perfect, but the fact that it's a 6mt with an s58 is what will make it sell.

This angle doesn't do the F87 justice either... the bumper looks like it's bulging out too.

https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=176

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by S4boost

This angle doesn't do the F87 justice either... the bumper looks like it's bulging out too.

https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=176

Excellent find for pic of F87 rear. The high angle makes it look like the F87 rear protrudes out quite a bit more than it does in reality. This same thing is happening in the leaked pics.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by ROBM2C

This looks decent

Vertical reflectors are huge, too prominent. You can see those puppies from Uranus!

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Considering that Porsche and BMW have different design philosophies, elaborate on what makes Porsche a better choice for all buyers. There are certainly areas where Porsche shines, but there are also compromises each brand makes. M-cars tend to have a better balance of performance and practicality than a 911.

I wouldn't cross-shop a base 911 with a M2. I'd cross-shop a 911 with something like a Corvette. However, the last time I considered buying a Porsche I went to a Porsche/Audi dealer and ended up purchasing a R8 V10 and I've never considered another 911 since.

Even a previous generation 911 is a more capable track car (and quicker) than the M2, not to mention it’s not a extremely difficult to obtain one off model, but instead a run of the mill Porsche,

Sure it costs more, because it’s a better car.


https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1756423

But Yeah man, totally justified is hyping up a 80k 2 series because it had a CF roof, and a S55 with a standard M4 tune. The only thing the M2 has is a backseat and a lower price tag. No one is daily driving a CS - plenty of people daily a Carrera.

I can’t believe this is even a discussion

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by 10"

this kind of Porsche fanboy-ism is so silly and absurd. Have you spent time with a 911 before?

Firstly they are entirely different cars—-and no, Porsches are not some magical end-all to motoring. Personally I have found many Porsches to be overly technical, clinical, and less fun than BMW Ms I've driven.

I run the largest 1M owners group in the world and we have seen our members buy all types of Porsches over the years and guess which car they sold after a few years—-yeah many sell the 911 and keep the 1M. There is no artificial reason why people enjoy smaller BMW Ms, they occupy a different purpose and niche of enjoyment.

The BMW I’ve seen and driven all fall short of Porsche’s in any competitive environment, and fall back practicality and price as their saving grace. There is no way around having less weight on the front, or a engine that can actually make power after 6000rpm.

I’m sure the people who own their car like it, but the same can be said for 911 owners. Ask people on Rennlist:


https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1304...at-to-buy.html

In general, the M2 and 992 are dramatically different platforms. If you’ve never owned a 911 - then the answer is clear. Get the 992.

There is, however, simply no comparing the M2C to the 992 GTS. I have also driven both cars back to back and the 992 GTS is hands down superior in every measurable way. It handles better. It brakes better. It accelerates better. While I can't attest to the last point with 100% certainty as I am still in my break-in period with my GTS, I would be willing to bet large sums of money on it. SPASM + PDCC make the 911 feel unnaturally planted. It is almost as if the 992 GTS with these features defies physics. It takes quite a bit of time to get used to. It is hard to describe. You just have to experience it. If you have the means, own both. If you have to pick one, buy the 992.

After driving the Porsche for 10 mos and still having my M3, I am even more certain that the 911 is worth the added cost due to the ridiculous traction alone. It basically made me not want to drive my M3 anymore and the M3 has been relegated to garage queen status as I daily the 992 S. But if M2 CSs are selling for $120K and you can still get a Carrera or S at MSRP, price difference is more like $10K - $30K for a decently optioned Carrera or a well optioned Carrers S at a $30K delta, so I think the decision is even more of a no-brainer... Porsche all the way.

No reasonable person think the M2 is on the same level of any 911, much less a Cayman. And I think the M2 is the BEST BMW since the E46 M3, but it’s not a porsche and that’s ok. Just be honest about it

[Lozza47]

Apart from the questionable looks everyone is talking about.

It doesn't really look like an M car from its front and side profile. The m240i looks just as aggressive. Fender flaring looks similar on first glance.

The F22 & F87 shared a similar style but you could clearly guess which one was the M car.

Curious to see it in person.

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by Lozza47

Apart from the questionable looks everyone is talking about.

It doesn't really look like an M car from its front and side profile. The m240i looks just as aggressive. Fender flaring looks similar on first glance.

The F22 & F87 shared a similar style but you could clearly guess which one was the M car.

Curious to see it in person.

Will definitely look like an M car in person. Almost 2" wider than the M240 which is already wide.

[Puppetz]

Originally Posted by G99M5

same car from a video game on playstation that I play

Deeply biased opinion here, being an F87 owner; but from that view point, would this rendition have been so hard to do? Why is it that BMW wants to stop looking like BMW's, while other car manufactures want to look like BMW's? Changes are good, evolve them, build on what works. I would say that evidence points to those leaks being the real deal, so after several recent reveals, I feel like its turning into a process of acceptance and justification.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Puppetz

Deeply biased opinion here, being an F87 owner; but from that view point, would this rendition have been so hard to do? Why is it that BMW wants to stop looking like BMW's, while other car manufactures want to look like BMW's? Changes are good, evolve them, build on what works. I would say that evidence points to those leaks being the real deal, so after several recent reveals, I feel like its turning into a process of acceptance and justification.

It exists: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1526447 (2018)

[Puppetz]

Originally Posted by Artemis

It exists: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1526447 (2018)

Thanks for this, was unaware. Sadly, still feel the same about reveals though. Cheers and good luck everyone.

[xE92]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

This will look sick w right set of coil overs and wheels.

Originally Posted by Luminor513

This will look sick w right set of coil overs and wheels.

So would a Toyota Camry

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

Ha! Ur funny … how much they pay u to say that?

Mad stacks

[jayee88]

This design leak along with the absolutely backwards iDrive 8 touchscreen/subscription everything system they're bound to stick in the new M2 has made my day. I've been worried that I might get the itch to upgrade to the G87, but any traces of that urge has been sufficiently squashed... my wallet is safe.

[lemetier]

Few cocktails and some seggsy time between these two =

[Davil]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

No reasonable person think the M2 is on the same level of any 911, much less a Cayman. And I think the M2 is the BEST BMW since the E46 M3, but it’s not a porsche and that’s ok. Just be honest about it

I mustn't be reasonable then. I test drove a 992 C2S before I bought my M2CS as people like you keep going on about them.

I found it clinical and almost boring on the road. I'm sure it would be a different world on the track though. But on the road the CS is so much more fun it talks to you at all speeds and eggs you on.

Oh, also I think you are in the wrong forum. Try this one.

https://rennlist.com/forums/

I'd love a pristine 993 if I had more garage space though.

[LimeRock]

Originally Posted by Davil

I mustn't be reasonable then. I test drove a 992 C2S before I bought my M2CS as people like you keep going on about them.

I found it clinical and almost boring on the road. I'm sure it would be a different world on the track though. But on the road the CS is so much more fun it talks to you at all speeds and eggs you on.

Oh, also I think you are in the wrong forum. Try this one.

https://rennlist.com/forums/

I'd love a pristine 993 if I had more garage space though.

I think there's space on this forum for those of us who love both Porsche and BMW! Come on!

I tend to agree with him - a 911 and M2 CS are fundamentally in different classes. The C2S is an all rounder, composed on the road, top interior finishes and daily drivable yet capable on track. The CS is a bit more singular in purpose, your observations make sense but that misses the point of a 911 (at least the C2S).

You have a beautiful car that's investment class, I have nothing but respect for it. If someone prefers something else, that's his or her prerogative. Let's all just rock on knowing we drive cool stuff and vibe over it.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by xE92

So would a Toyota Camry

Lmao you think Camrys are sick??

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Even a previous generation 911 is a more capable track car (and quicker) than the M2, not to mention itÂ’s not a extremely difficult to obtain one off model, but instead a run of the mill Porsche,

Sure it costs more, because itÂ’s a better car.


https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1756423

But Yeah man, totally justified is hyping up a 80k 2 series because it had a CF roof, and a S55 with a standard M4 tune. The only thing the M2 has is a backseat and a lower price tag. No one is daily driving a CS - plenty of people daily a Carrera.

I canÂ’t believe this is even a discussion

There's a reason you're using track capability as your #1 metric to claim a 911 is a better car. It's because the 911 makes compromises for additional track capability, it lacks practicality compared to the M2.

However, the issue is the M2 is still capable enough on track to give buyers a very good experience and that's why some Porsche fans spend so much time on bimmerpost flaming because they see certain BMW models as a threat. You're here instead of a Shelby Mustang or Camaro ZL1 1LE forum preaching to them how a Carrera would've been a better choice. The fact that BMW can make a car as practical as the M2 yet in the hands of many drivers be very quick around a track just doesn't allow you to sit comfortably and leave M2 forums in peace.

The 911 CAN'T be a better car for buyers that also want the M2's 380L trunk space vs the Carerra's 132L since some people are using the car for daily duties. Some people also need a usable back seat. This isn't opinion, it's just a fact that the 911 doesn't tick all the boxes a M2 does and it was never meant to. Like I said before the 911 and M2 were built with a different design philosophy.

Many M2CS buyers that cared more about laptimes than the street driving purchased the M2CS Racing car.

Nothing wrong with being a Porsche fan, but it's telling that Rennlist isn't providing you enough satisfaction so you're here comparing cars that are engineered for different purposes.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by LimeRock

I think there's space on this forum for those of us who love both Porsche and BMW! Come on!

No you need to read his back catalogue of posts. He's on the wrong forum. (See above post as exhibit a))

I do appreciate (old) Porsches. I don't come to a BMW forum for Porsche content though, especially someone that feels the need to give a lecture at every opportunity and feels the need to tell me what I think. They are just another mass produced car aimed at a different audience which is definitely not me.

Now let's get back to discussing this fascinating new baby blue Lego construction.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ihbase

Really, at a price point where the 911 is a better unit all the way around? I appreciate the f87, but it just is not a six-figure platform.

I really don't get the constant comparison of BMW and Porsche, they are clearly two different caliber of vehicles, that vary drastically in prices and demographical market capture.

A class-leading, fully-equipped, M2 CS that cost 85k new VS a 911 Porsche which starts at 100k for the base model, probably with a manual roll-up side windows standard, power optional, are simply not in the same league.

If I comfortably had Porsche money, I would not sneeze on a BMW but I don't, so I try to stay in my lane, so in this humble thought experiment, the M2 CS is the pinnacle standard of vehicle that I could realistically obtain.