[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

When I had an MR2 project car I was frequently at the dealership ordering little parts here and there. One thing I noticed is that being at a Toyota dealership is a little like being at a senior citizen center and everywhere you looked was bland car after bland car. It's probably no coincidence Toyota has made the styling a little edgier on the current Camry and Corolla as you need vehicles that appeal to younger buyers.

They need to make them faster. After the fast lane car video with the Camry V6 losing to the accord I want to see if the IS350 can beat the accord lol.

[FuriouslyFast]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

They need to make them faster. After the fast lane car video with the Camry V6 losing to the accord I want to see if the IS350 can beat the accord lol.

Yup, they need some power & handling & not FWD

[Red Bread]

If I needed a land yacht, I'd have a manual Accord "Sport" without even considering the Toyota.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

If I needed a land yacht, I'd have a manual Accord "Sport" without even considering the Toyota.

That's crazy that the accord still comes with a manual and not the 3 or 5 series. It's a family sedan yet BMW can't put manuals in their sports sedans.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

That's crazy that the accord still comes with a manual and not the 3 or 5 series. It's a family sedan yet BMW can't put manuals in their sports sedans.

Honda also makes EPS thats not terrible. Of course they've been doing it since the 3.2L NSX and the S2k.

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

That's crazy that the accord still comes with a manual and not the 3 or 5 series. It's a family sedan yet BMW can't put manuals in their sports sedans.

I still think Honda has the best shifter feel in the car industry.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by secretsquirrel

I still think Honda has the best shifter feel in the car industry.

For a cable. Lots of rod and direct setups feel better. BMW has gotten better recently but is still well behind even a Fit/Jazz. And of course they're doing their best to not offer them anymore. It's becoming a Honda, Porsche, Mazda party, with some occasional visitors.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

For a cable. Lots of rod and direct setups feel better. BMW has gotten better recently but is still well behind even a Fit/Jazz. And of course they're doing their best to not offer them anymore. It's becoming a Honda, Porsche, Mazda party, with some occasional visitors.

Mustang still has manual shifters but not in the GT 500.