[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

To be honest, the whole industry is sort abandoning what you would traditionally expect in a certain type of vehicle. I'm at the point where I don't really look into these sort of details anymore and just see if the application works as intended. The 8AT in the M5 is a perfect example of this.

In the M5 yeah , but smaller M cars such as in M2 is a lot more fun with the dct

[JoshuaevansF87]

Hybrid:

[pz619]

6MT and RWD.... noice.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Yeah low 4s is the same as m340i xdrive with B58 maybe they meant under 4 seconds.

Low 4s is what the current m2 already does out of the box.

[dtla1]

Who is going to be the one to order this paint job? (found in Google results for BMW San Luis Potosi):

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/p/...w408-h544-k-no

[F87EVO]

Sad to see the DCT is not an option . Not quite sure the ZF8 will have the same feedback

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by TheoriginalM2

In the M5 yeah , but smaller M cars such as in M2 is a lot more fun with the dct

You may be right, but it's a waste of energy trying to complain when BMW isn't going to change. If the option was no manual and DCT-only vs. manual and 8AT, I think we're all going to take the latter.

Also, in before someone brings up Porsche and their continuous use of PDK, why can't BMW?

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

You may be right, but it's a waste of energy trying to complain when BMW isn't going to change. If the option was no manual and DCT-only vs. manual and 8AT, I think we're all going to take the latter.

Also, in before someone brings up Porsche and their continuous use of PDK, why can't BMW?

It maybe the cost , ZF are cheaper and lighter boxes. But torque converter :

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Going from the excellent DCT to 8 speed torque converter auto in what is the purest M car of its range.

Abomination.

Agreed with this as no DCT is terrible news in addition to added length and weight dimensions. Also the specifications of this new M2 won't be that impressive when this car launches in three years (2023). The CS or CSL version of the G87 may be good but that won't launch until 2025 or so.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by TheoriginalM2

Sad to see the DCT is not an option . Not quite sure the ZF8 will have the same feedback

It won't. Also smoother shifts in a ZF8 is not a benefit. It means less excitement than a DCT.

[raysspl]

Great, now can we have it available as a convertible?

[RugbyBro]

Honestly, with ZF8 it comes down to programming. Sure the difference in shift speed is objectively higher for the DCT but it is pretty imperceptible when you're driving hard. When you're not on the gas, that's where I noticed more "smoothing". But I'm sure when they adjust the transmission tuning for the M cars, it will feel like a more special experience than the standard cars.

I get the hesitation around replacing the DCT, but I think a lot of people will be surprised in a good way by the ZF8.

[Miko M]

Just focus on dropping the weight down!!!

That's all they should be focusing on.

[stein_325i]

To those annoyed with the choice of a ZF8, do your part and SAVE THE MANUAL!

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

To those annoyed with the choice of a ZF8, do your part and SAVE THE MANUAL!

Amen

[Westway]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Agreed with this as no DCT is terrible news in addition to added length and weight dimensions. Also the specifications of this new M2 won't be that impressive when this car launches in three years (2023). The CS or CSL version of the G87 may be good but that won't launch until 2025 or so.

Seriously, was looking forward to the G87 improving upon the F87. The larger size is uncalled for. The "mild" EV is not what the M2 should represent. Lets hope the DCT is an option to add. Wouldn't mind paying extra for it. Todays news as early as it is...makes me wonder if leaving the F87 will be a mistake.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by Hegge

It won't. Also smoother shifts in a ZF8 is not a benefit. It means less excitement than a DCT.

Thats true mate . But thanks god manual is still alive

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by raysspl

Great, now can we have it available as a convertible?

The 2 Series will no longer be available as a convertible after this generation ends, so the M2 must also miss out as a result. Convertibles continue to decline in popularity, and the case cannot be made for another one in the stable. BMW has apparently concluded that the Z4 and 4 Series (including the M4) can effectively cover that segment of the market now.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Going from the excellent DCT to 8 speed torque converter auto in what is the purest M car of its range.

Abomination.

Simple solution is to just buy the manual.

The ZF 8HP probably gives the best compromise in performance and cost to be able to make the G87 happen at all. The difference in real performance could potentially be zero. Proponents of the DCT seem to only be able to offer that there is less shift lag and how quick the shifts feel. Whether or not that actually makes a difference is performance is debatable. BMW still has to make compromises in feel to make cars affordable. They can't quite charge Porsche prices. Anyway, IMO, an automatic is an automatic.

[ice31]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Going from the excellent DCT to 8 speed torque converter auto in what is the purest M car of its range.

Abomination.

Get a manual?

[MarkDemma]

But what about the M240i? I fear that it won't have manual or the B58 next go round.

[JTO24]

You'll probably see 3.8 seconds to 60 but not anything crazier without stickier rubber because it'll be traction limited. My guess is that it'll have similar performance numbers to a non-comp F82 M4. Glad the manual is still alive.