[fcman]

Originally Posted by F87EVO

I know ! In fact BMW numbers are usually false. 1550kg is the weight for a manual CS . 75kg is added for a driver so i will not put add that onto the weight of the car. 25kg are the ccb. So 1525kg . I personally havent measured it yet , but Harrys garage posted each CS component weight in order to see if it makes sense , because they state the Competition weight which doesnt make sense. There could many reasons why BMW would have liked to hide the actual weight of the car , and one of those would be , how would the CSL G82 look in comparison , it should be the lightweight sport coupe from BMW . How would it sound if you say the M2 CS is 200kg/440lbs lighter than the “lightweight” . Also how would it sound if it had 300kg difference from the G87. Not right i guess. Yes the adaptive suspension weigh a bit more than the normal one , but thats not 100kg. Add the weight of each component and just see yourself. Simple as that.

I agree that those scale might not be calibrated correctly , but i wouldnt believe the weight is the same as the F87 Comp, because it simply doesnt make sense. They took 70kg/154lbs from the F90 , with a bonnet and ccb and those seats. The roof was there from before.

Ofc all these are assumptions , and thats because BMW gives us false numbers. Adding each component makes sense for Harrys Garage to be right. It also makes sense why BMW might wanted to hide it. Thats my thoughts.

The best thing would be to take both a Comp and a CS on the same scale to see their weight.

There are 3 people who weighed their CS in that thread and none of them were even as low as 1550, they are in the 1570-1620kg range. Did the Harry’s Garage car have some decent amount of weight reduction or something because I don’t see how else his car came in ~130kg lower than the other people who have weighed their F87CS, that’s not margin of error, CCBs and a lower fuel load, a 130kg difference is significant

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by fcman

There are 3 people who weighed their CS in that thread and none of them were even as low as 1550, they are in the 1570-1620kg range.

That matches my recollection of other forum threads in the distant past. I remember constant complaining at the time about its weight. Ah nostalgia.

Based on countless threads in the present, my understanding is that the G87 weight is not so different from the F87 CS. A couple hundred pounds or less, depending on how you spec it. The weight of a copilot.

And there is lots of low hanging fruit if you want to reduce weight. Team PhD got their G87 (AT) down to an estimated 3700lb with just basic mods (seat, tires, wheels, battery). (They have since reduced it further.)

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Could also be a partly stripped interior and empty fuel tank, which would also account for the 55/45 front/rear weight distribution. The standard BMW weights are either DIN (90% fuel and base car config) or EU weights (DIN +75kg to allow for driver).

The BMW UK press release showed the standard M2CS DIN weight for the manual at 1550kg (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...261EN/441458), so the Harry's Garage 65kg weight savings and about 35kg of fuel weight reduction for an empty tank would require another 21kg of weight saving by, for example, removing the rear seat.

That exact car was the one that won the EVO car of the year 2020 , it has no stripped interior as you can see it from ecoty video. It has ccb and a manual. Petrol plays a role for sure. Maybe his scales were not 100% correct, but my point was to think , why would all those weight savings result to the same DIN weight as the M2 Comp. If you combine them together it doesnt make sense. Sure the adaptive suspension is a bit heavier but not that much.

[buckybadger]

G87 is too expensive. At this price might as well get the G80/82.

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

G87 is too expensive. At this price might as well get the G80/82.

Unfortunately the days of the M2 being the ‘budget M car’ seem a thing of the past. To think a fully kitted M2C was around £50K in the UK and its now just under £80K. Crazy. And the APR on finance has gone from 2-3% to 9% (and rising).

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Unfortunately the days of the M2 being the ‘budget M car’ seem a thing of the past. To think a fully kitted M2C was around £50K in the UK and its now just under £80K. Crazy. And the APR on finance has gone from 2-3% to 9% (and rising).

And UK is considered a fine in comparison with countries in Central/Eastern Europe where the base model is now 90-120k Euro..

[Squidget]

International currency stuff is weird. In the US, the G87 is a BARGAIN.

Adjusted for inflation, the G87 costs LESS than my (non-M!) E90 did. And $25K less than a Cayman.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

G87 is too expensive. At this price might as well get the G80/82.

Disagree. The G80 is a 4-door, I wanted a coupe. And the G87 has 95% of the performance of a G82 for $15K less, AND it's more tailhappy and tossable, AND it's easier to park.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Disagree. The G80 is a 4-door, I wanted a coupe. And the G87 has 95% of the performance of a G82 for $15K less, AND it's more tailhappy and tossable, AND it's easier to park.

Yep, if you can’t feel the difference that a shorter wheelbase has on dynamics you probably should not be buying performance cars at all. Even if they were the same price I would pick the G87 over the 82

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Disagree. The G80 is a 4-door, I wanted a coupe. And the G87 has 95% of the performance of a G82 for $15K less, AND it's more tailhappy and tossable, AND it's easier to park.

Correct. People don’t buy an M2 because it’s cheaper than an M3/4 they buy it because it’s better.
A lot of people that buy big cars still don’t understand that (particularly Americans).
Bigger is NOT better, in fact when it comes to performance cars it’s generally much much worse.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Unfortunately the days of the M2 being the ‘budget M car’ seem a thing of the past. To think a fully kitted M2C was around £50K in the UK and its now just under £80K. Crazy. And the APR on finance has gone from 2-3% to 9% (and rising).

Yeah I don’t know but BMW cars look dated already. As much as I love M cars, I’m looking forward to the electrification of the M brand. Till then I’m probably going to hold on.

A 2 series will always be a 2. You can toss any car if you know how to drive.

[Sebis]

Originally Posted by Squidget

International currency stuff is weird. In the US, the G87 is a BARGAIN.

Adjusted for inflation, the G87 costs LESS than my (non-M!) E90 did. And $25K less than a Cayman.

Back in 2001, I splurged on a BMW 330ci, that non-M e46 was ~$40,000... in today's money about ~$69,000. My M2 order with carbon roof and couple other options costs less and it is a bargain by comparison!

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Yeah I don’t know but BMW cars look dated already. As much as I love M cars, I’m looking forward to the electrification of the M brand. Till then I’m probably going to hold on.

A 2 series will always be a 2. You can toss any car if you know how to drive.

Good luck tossing around a 3-4 ton EV 🤣, even if you are the driving god you seem to think you are 🙄.
No idea why youd want an M car if your wanting an EV…badge snobbery or poseur value im guessing.
An EV will always be an EV.

[AmuroRay]

Ugly inside and out - cheesy screen based interior, and ugly boxy bulldog exterior.
I’ve yet to see any “build” (color, wheel combo, exterior mods) that make it look any better.

I’m sure Evolve will rice it out with their overpriced products though, so there is that.

Can’t deny the performance though, but there are just other cars that don’t come with the high price, cheesy Tesla interior and similar performance.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Good luck tossing around a 3-4 ton EV 🤣, even if you are the driving god you seem to think you are 🙄.
No idea why youd want an M car if your wanting an EV…badge snobbery or poseur value im guessing.
An EV will always be an EV.

You can have fun with any car. I’m open to adopting a new technology and platform. Future M cars will all be electric, wake up grandpa!! If you don’t like that fact then you can keep your 2 series forever. Good luck!

[buckybadger]

I own a M2C, and no doubt it’s a great car but it’s still a 2 series (or best version of it). Can’t deny that fact !

[fcman]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Can’t deny the performance though, but there are just other cars that don’t come with the high price, cheesy Tesla interior and similar performance.

I’m curious to know which cars you think those are, because from my perspective there are 3 cars in this segment, the M2, the Dark Horse, and the CT4-V blackwing. And I’m being very generous including the caddy since it’s a 4 door but I like it. Everything else is either 2 seater or AWD

[MaC-N54-E82]

Purchased my G82 CompX in late January. Prior to the M4, I had a N54 based E82. While bringing it in for the break in service, the GM gave me the key to his personal G87 and let me turn it loose. IMHO the G87 is far more attractive in person than in photos. Drive wise it’s right smack dab in the middle of my G82 and 135i. Definitely more twitchy and tossable than the M4. For me it solidified my choice, as I was looking more push and the stability that comes with XDrive and a longer wheelbase. The 135i was highly modded and while a blast to drive, it was definitely tail happy. I think it’s fantastic BMW’s M division continues to make cars that suit drivers with different priorities. At the end of the day better is completely subjective based on the buyer’s use case. Enjoy what you drive!

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

You can have fun with any car. I’m open to adopting a new technology and platform. Future M cars will all be electric, wake up grandpa!! If you don’t like that fact then you can keep your 2 series forever. Good luck!

I’d wager the “fun” your having in “any” car more involves you & your hand.🤣
Who’s to say what future M cars will be… hybrid, electric, hydrogen, ice with syn fuels, a combination ? Will they even exist ?.
Wow your not only a driving god but you can tell the future too 🙄.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

I’d wager the “fun” your having in “any” car more involves you & your hand.🤣
Who’s to say what future M cars will be… hybrid, electric, hydrogen, ice with syn fuels, a combination ? Will they even exist ?.
Wow your not only a driving god but you can tell the future too 🙄.

You need a break dude.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by fcman

I’m curious to know which cars you think those are, because from my perspective there are 3 cars in this segment, the M2, the Dark Horse, and the CT4-V blackwing. And I’m being very generous including the caddy since it’s a 4 door but I like it. Everything else is either 2 seater or AWD

What about the Mustang and Camaro?

[gemini.m3]

I like evolve products but I take everything they say about newer bmws with a grain of salt. Imran hasn’t met a new bmw he doesn’t like - what’s he going to do? Give his real feelings when each of these new models = $$ after initial R&D is completed? I love the mental gymnastics they come up with. If anyone can find me one evolve video where they are critical of any of the new g series platform cars or any new Bmw for they matter, I’d love to see it.