[JMD]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I'm looking forward to this... not an EV person but ...wet pants with cream are wet pants with cream

This has to be the funniest line posted on the internet this year! LOL

I'm silently laughing all over myself,...inside and out! If ever I use it,...I'll be sure to give you credit!

[JMD]

I remember the V12 E53 project!...imagine had they released that. It would be E60 of SUVs,...make that SAVs!

[Wills2]

I get the direction of travel and the reasons, but for me performance cars are dying with the change to EV, I don't care about how fast it will go as ICE M cars are already too fast if you want to retain some respect for others and your licence so that's a pointless exercise.

Noise, drama and emotion in terms of the feel and sound of the car are essence of M for me and peaked with the e92 M3 IMO, even though I've also had F and G chassis M cars, they lost that Mness as they chased AWD, 0-60 times and got really heavy in the process.

Imagine a silent 800hp 2.2 tonne G80 M3 and you can probably imagine this car.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by JMD

This has to be the funniest line posted on the internet this year! LOL

I'm silently laughing all over myself,...inside and out! If ever I use it,...I'll be sure to give you credit!

It happens.. lol

[JMD]

Originally Posted by HP Autosport

Don't knock it until we see the final product, specs, and performance.

I got $20 and a 6-Pack saying it will be the fastest BMW to hit 100kph (...or 60mph) over all BMWs ever built to date. I'm thinking the performance will be on par with the Taycan 4S,...or even Taycan GT. Also, if they give the damn thing some 300+ miles of range,...in Winter",...it will sell to those considering a high performance EV. Case in point, as much as I luv the Taycan GT,...I wouldn't be able to afford one until it's about 4-5 years old and has North of some 30k miles on it. It's the 800V architecture for me...

[hotrod182]

Can you imagine a gas engine that could go past 200mph with just one gear? I mean that would be like launching a 200mph ICE car in 5th/6th gear and expecting it to do a 1.9 sec 0-60 time at the same time. It makes you realize how far superior an EV motor is to a ICE powerplant. Many times more efficient, instant response, and much lighter and reliable. More importantly you can have instant control of the output for traction control and torque vectoring. If it weren't for the extremely heavy batteries, it would be no contest. The fact that EVs are already performing this well on the street and on the Nurburgring with this huge weight penalty is telling. The future is just going to get better.

[Tejas1836]

EVs have one problem that will never be able to overcome.

No soul

[co_440i]

Originally Posted by ///Avera

I guess BMW did not get any of the memos . . .

Consumers do not want EVs . . . in the performance car market, just ask Porsche while the Taycans and recently released Macan EVs are piling up on their lots . . . they cannot give them away

Based on what consumers do demand, there is a new sheriff coming to town and his motto is ‘drill baby drill’ . . . pretty clear message

But, yeah, BMW continues to plow forward with an EV ///M3 because that is what all the ///M car enthusiasts are going line up to purchase

///Avera

P.S. it does LOOK good though

Your reality seems different from actual reality. https://caredge.com/guides/electric-...hare-and-sales

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by ///Avera

I guess BMW did not get any of the memos . . .

Consumers do not want EVs . . . in the performance car market, just ask Porsche while the Taycans and recently released Macan EVs are piling up on their lots . . . they cannot give them away

Based on what consumers do demand, there is a new sheriff coming to town and his motto is ‘drill baby drill’ . . . pretty clear message

But, yeah, BMW continues to plow forward with an EV ///M3 because that is what all the ///M car enthusiasts are going line up to purchase

///Avera

P.S. it does LOOK good though

You keep saying what "consumers don't want", but the best selling car with an M badge was the i4 M50. So clearly in the performance segment of BMW buyers some do want an EV.

I happen to want both. My i4 M50 as a daily driver and the M2 I have on order for weekend and track events.

But if I only own one it's my i4 M50.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by SALD25

I dropped off my jeep for tires at dealer and got a ride back, I live about 10 miles from dealer.

Just from dealer to house while battery was at 100% when started the trip it was at 82 percent once dropped off. The driver had defroster, heat and radio going. Seriously hate EV’s glad I bought my 25 g80 now and will plan on keeping it as long as I can.

That's an inefficient EV.

18% in a 10 mile drive. That equates to a full charge of 60 miles range. You should throw it away.

That equates to 3-4% on my i4 M50, even with the sticky tires.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Of course it does, they're giving them away. G80 is a niche enthusiast car, i4 is a commuter car with thousands of dollars on the hood to move them off lots.

Not sure what you're trying to prove. Different cars, different buyers, different economics.

You are confusing the i4 eDrive35 and eDrive40 with the M50.

The M50 is not getting discounted like that and if you want an M50 with 20" wheels you are paying MSRP and waiting to get it.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Of course it does, they're giving them away. G80 is a niche enthusiast car, i4 is a commuter car with thousands of dollars on the hood to move them off lots.

Not sure what you're trying to prove. Different cars, different buyers, different economics.

The message I’ve responded to, says ‘best selling M car is G80’. BMW says; ‘best selling M car is i4M50’.
I’m not trying to prove anything, I’m making a correction.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Wills2

… ICE M cars are already too fast …

Hm. Going to have to respectfully disagree there.

[julienjj]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

The message I’ve responded to, says ‘best selling M car is G80’. BMW says; ‘best selling M car is i4M50’.
I’m not trying to prove anything, I’m making a correction.

Is the I4 40 an M car then ? same non-WBS vin. Same car too. The only difference is the missing front axle electric motor. Matter of facts it's also RWD while the M50i cannot be made RWD... which is a lot more fun and motorsport like.

I would argue neither of them are M cars, but they are solely on the M car sheet to make shareholders happy.

Regarding the video at hand, they had to overlay some alien saucer/jetsons noise over the parts where the modified F87 drive around a track to make it not absolutely dull.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by julienjj

Is the I4 40 an M car then ? same non-WBS vin. Same car too. The only difference is the missing front axle electric motor. Matter of facts it's also RWD while the M50i cannot be made RWD... which is a lot more fun and motorsport like.

I would argue neither of them are M cars, but they are solely on the M car sheet to make shareholders happy.

Regarding the video at hand, they had to overlay some alien saucer/jetsons noise over the parts where the modified F87 drive around a track to make it not absolutely dull.

Actually no. They “had” to overlay those sounds so cavemen didn’t summarily dismiss it as being “soulless”. Same concept as the i5N.

I personally like the sound, just as I like (love) the sound the Audi/Porsche EVs make, but it isn’t an absolute must to make the car fun to drive and experience. Jnless of course you are incredibly closed-minded.

[Tejas1836]

If they pipe in artificial sounds they must think it is, in its base form, lackluster and soulless.
A troglodyte would not consider it to have soul with piped in engine sounds, just the opposite, amplifying the soullessness.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

If they pipe in artificial sounds they must think it is, in its base form, lackluster and soulless.
A troglodyte would not consider it to have soul with piped in engine sounds, just the opposite, amplifying the soullessness.

To be fair they started doing this with their gas cars at least since 2003 with the M54 powered Z4’s. There’s a part called the “sound generator” that was a tube from the intake elbow to a hole in the firewall. There was a diaphragm of some sort inside that I think filtered/altered the noise somewhat. Sounded great IMO. I actually liked it so much that I tried to retrofit one onto my Z4M, which didnt come with one from the factory for some reason.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

To be fair they started doing this with their gas cars at least since 2003 with the M54 powered Z4’s. There’s a part called the “sound generator” that was a tube from the intake elbow to a hole in the firewall. There was a diaphragm of some sort inside that I think filtered/altered the noise somewhat. Sounded great IMO. I actually liked it so much that I tried to retrofit one onto my Z4M, which didnt come with one from the factory for some reason.

Yes, totally pathetic. I coded out the ASD in mine.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by Lifted

I’m with you. Never been an EV person, but I did get such a stupid deal on an etron GT so I’ve been cruising around in that enough to know I’d lease the hell out of an electric m car to go-kart around town.

Same for me, I leased an RS e-tron GT, fun as heck for what it is for around town duties and even easy trips (as long as you understand to not always rely on Electrify America where everyone and their mom is eating up their freebie juice). I'd lease the hell out of an electric M car to replace it, so I'm hoping that interest isn't high so I can score a great lease rate

[jmxtrem]

BMW M have to make some Awesome ,with this EV they can show like they have done

[lonestar22]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

EVs have one problem that will never be able to overcome.

No soul

gas cars dont have soul either. theyre just metal and plastic.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

gas cars dont have soul either. theyre just metal and plastic.

not to automobile aficionados