[Pauly Wauly]

I have been seeing a lot of them on the road lately, and they look way better in person than in pictures. I wouldn`t call it a truck. It looks more like an SUV than a truck.

[Gemini562]

Bulletproof body, fragile windows. because Tesla knows your enemies only shoot at doors

[Tejas1836]

Wrapped matte black around here, looks real good
1 or 2 of them in Austin I hear

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

While I would agree, I also think that what anyone considers a "real" truck is very subjective. I mean I've seen people on rennlist refer to the Cayenne as a truck. Many "real" truck owners wouldn't consider half the trucks out there to be real... like the Honda Ridgeline or the Ford Maverick.

However if all you need a truck for is home depot runs or towing your small boat or camper to the boat ramp or campground then maybe those trucks are real to you.

For me if it can't haul a 32' travel trailer across the country then it's not a "real" truck. If/when I sell my travel trailer then my definition will probably change.



I do find it ironic to see people on a BMW discussing "look at me" vehicles... pretty sure BMW was one of the OGs of look at me vehicles.

It’s interesting to me you say your definition of a real truck could change. To me a real truck is body-on-frame and has significant towing capacity. I agree though the Ridgeline and Ranger have pretty good, light duty truck utility they are not real trucks. The X5 especially and the X3 have some pretty good off-roading capability, but neither of them is a real truck. But, just to be clear, because I’ve said this here many times, as far as BMW automobiles go, they are way more truck than car. My definition of a real truck wouldn’t change regardless of which one I owned.


BMWs got to be “look at me” cars because of their reputation as superior driving machines and to a fairly large degree they maintain those driving characteristics today, in spite of the fact that more of them than not are butt ugly and have lost their classic design that was a significant element of what made them timeless and iconic. They certainly didn’t start out as “look at me” cars. More like “get out of my way” cars.

The Cyber“Truck” is without question a “look at me” purchase and without question not a real truck. Overall I have a fairly good opinion of Musk, but this pointless monstrosity knocks it down quite a few notches.

Bavaria, 1600/2002, E21 3er

[soldes]

Can't help but to draw a comparison to the Hummer vehicles of some years ago. When they came out, every flexing 30 or 40 something couldn't wait to get one. A few years later, they were counting the months to dump them, when their leases were up..

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by soldes

Can't help but to draw a comparison to the Hummer vehicles of some years ago. When they came out, every flexing 30 or 40 something couldn't wait to get one. A few years later, they were counting the months to dump them, when their leases were up..

I have a H3T. It's a great truck. 4-door, compact size, 5.3L small block, great ground clearance with 33's but easy to slide into the driver's seat. Heavy for its wheelbase/width, which is great when you have to drive though a rushing river to get home. Pretty much stone reliable.

My purchase wasn't a flex, it perfectly met my use case. I think the CT will be highly appreciated once well past its use-by date, just like the GM Hummers are.

[tturedraider]

Just now saw this. Too funny not to share!! I have to say as far as I can see this is the most logical explanation.

[Sedoy]

Can you explain what's going on this picture, I'm not following?

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Just now saw this. Too funny not to share!! I have to say as far as I can see this is the most logical explanation.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Can you explain what's going on this picture, I'm not following?

Did you watch both segments? She draws the “shape” of Musk’s body and turns it on its side and it’s the shape of the CT.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I have a H3T. It's a great truck. 4-door, compact size, 5.3L small block, great ground clearance with 33's but easy to slide into the driver's seat. Heavy for its wheelbase/width, which is great when you have to drive though a rushing river to get home. Pretty much stone reliable.

My purchase wasn't a flex, it perfectly met my use case. I think the CT will be highly appreciated once well past its use-by date, just like the GM Hummers are.

To be fair, the Hummers were also greatly appreciated when new. The H3 was SUPER popular, because it was all around good. They were everywhere because they were nice at the top end, but also offered base models for people who just wanted to trail ride cheaply. For the grief it gets, the H3 was also a pretty competent off-roader and very reliable. The interior was spacious and the 5 cylinder was both fairly efficient for its purpose and pretty reliable. The Alphas had arguably the best version of the 5.3 built, with "the good heads" and an aluminum block, and no AFM issues.

[Sedoy]

Looks more like Pontiac Aztek to me. She must be still in elemendary school now, I was cracking jokes like that back in 3rd grade...

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Did you watch both segments? She draws the “shape” of Musk’s body and turns it on its side and it’s the shape of the CT.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Looks more like Pontiac Aztek to me. She must be still in elemendary school now, I was cracking jokes like that back in 3rd grade...

Geesh!! And the CT looks pretty much like a stainless steel Aztek.

[R N M]

Considering the popularity of Gwagon, not sure why all the hate for Cybertruck. Gwagon has terrible rear seat space, poor ride/handling, poor rear visibility and not a lot of cargo space. Its a useless vehicle, but a great fashion statement.

The target demographic are wealthy suburban buyers not plumbers or construction workers.

I think it’s currently the #1 selling vehicle with over $100k msrp.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

To be fair, the Hummers were also greatly appreciated when new. The H3 was SUPER popular, because it was all around good. They were everywhere because they were nice at the top end, but also offered base models for people who just wanted to trail ride cheaply. For the grief it gets, the H3 was also a pretty competent off-roader and very reliable. The interior was spacious and the 5 cylinder was both fairly efficient for its purpose and pretty reliable. The Alphas had arguably the best version of the 5.3 built, with "the good heads" and an aluminum block, and no AFM issues.

I'm not sure the thread is still around, but the amount of shit I received on BimmerPost in this subforum when I posted back in 2009 after I bought the H3T was embarrassing for those who replied was ridiculous.

It's one of 2450 or so H3T Alphas on the planet; a lot rarer than most member's ///M cars on the Forum (MrRoboto - ), especially now 15 years later.

Update. Just for kicks... I found the thread:

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showt...ght=H3T&page=5

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm not sure the thread is still around, but the amount of shit I received on BimmerPost in this subforum when I posted back in 2009 after I bought the H3T was embarrassing for those who replied was ridiculous.

It's one of 2450 or so H3T Alphas on the planet; a lot rarer than most member's ///M cars on the Forum (MrRoboto - ), especially now 15 years later.

Update. Just for kicks... I found the thread:

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showt...ght=H3T&page=5

Let me preface by saying I'm not a truck guy I know very little about trucks and basically nothing about off roading. I own a truck because I have a trailer... that's it.

However I feel like the hate of the H3 and even H2 back then was a little different. To me it seemed that people (at least the people around me) were mad at them because it was perceived to be a pussyfication of the original Hummer. Now I have no idea technically how much that's true or not, but just visually the H2 got big and fat looking and then the H3 looked like any other SUV. I think the hate is more in line with the hate for say the Mustang Mach E when it came out under the Mustang name.

Vs the cybertruck or the aztec people just hate on because of how they look... and politics in the case of the cybertruck.

I recall seeing a video on the aztec a while back and thought it had some cool features, which I can't remember now, but definitely made me appreciate it more. I still think it's hideous though.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Let me preface by saying I'm not a truck guy I know very little about trucks and basically nothing about off roading. I own a truck because I have a trailer... that's it.

However I feel like the hate of the H3 and even H2 back then was a little different. To me it seemed that people (at least the people around me) were mad at them because it was perceived to be a pussyfication of the original Hummer. Now I have no idea technically how much that's true or not, but just visually the H2 got big and fat looking and then the H3 looked like any other SUV. I think the hate is more in line with the hate for say the Mustang Mach E when it came out under the Mustang name.

Vs the cybertruck or the aztec people just hate on because of how they look... and politics in the case of the cybertruck.

I recall seeing a video on the aztec a while back and thought it had some cool features, which I can't remember now, but definitely made me appreciate it more. I still think it's hideous though.

The "original" HMMWV civilian version was renamed the "H1" when GM bought the rights to the Hummer (brand) name from AM General and GM sold the H2 (and later the H3). I'm pretty sure most H2 and H3 Hummer owners knew they were not buying a military vehicle and were not flexing to be a G.I. Joe. The H2 was designed by GM and used GM parts but was built by AM General and not GM. The H3 and H3T were built by GM.

The whole Mustang/Mustang Mach E debate is stupid too. IMO.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm not sure the thread is still around, but the amount of shit I received on BimmerPost in this subforum when I posted back in 2009 after I bought the H3T was embarrassing for those who replied was ridiculous.

It's one of 2450 or so H3T Alphas on the planet; a lot rarer than most member's ///M cars on the Forum (MrRoboto - ), especially now 15 years later.

Update. Just for kicks... I found the thread:

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showt...ght=H3T&page=5

I had a V8 Colorado ZQ8. What a great truck. Was just too small with upcoming family. It was absurdly rare too. Always thought about converting to the H3 floor shifter and seats.

That's crazy that people here have you a hard time, they were VERY popular in Florida. Saw they everywhere from ski slopes to job sites to luxury stores to the beach.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Let me preface by saying I'm not a truck guy I know very little about trucks and basically nothing about off roading. I own a truck because I have a trailer... that's it.

However I feel like the hate of the H3 and even H2 back then was a little different. To me it seemed that people (at least the people around me) were mad at them because it was perceived to be a pussyfication of the original Hummer. Now I have no idea technically how much that's true or not, but just visually the H2 got big and fat looking and then the H3 looked like any other SUV. I think the hate is more in line with the hate for say the Mustang Mach E when it came out under the Mustang name.

Vs the cybertruck or the aztec people just hate on because of how they look... and politics in the case of the cybertruck.

I recall seeing a video on the aztec a while back and thought it had some cool features, which I can't remember now, but definitely made me appreciate it more. I still think it's hideous though.

I think the issues people had with the H2 and H3 were just the tip of the culture wars sparked off around the time of Obama's candidacy. It was the start of wholeness, people hated them because those people saw them as a a symbol for rural folks, with guns, and for the "gas guzzling and wasteful SUVs that doomed the American car industry".

At the time of their demise, Hummer arguably was a more valuable brand in the US than Buick, GMC, or Cadillac. But GM sacrificed it to the Obama administration to get taxpayer money to move towards their agenda vehicles. It's a shame because Hummer could have been a great outlet for efficient and reliable diesels, possibly paired with hybrid tech. But the identity politics starting then were just too strong, sadly.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I think the issues people had with the H2 and H3 were just the tip of the culture wars sparked off around the time of Obama's candidacy. It was the start of wholeness, people hated them because those people saw them as a a symbol for rural folks, with guns, and for the "gas guzzling and wasteful SUVs that doomed the American car industry".

At the time of their demise, Hummer arguably was a more valuable brand in the US than Buick, GMC, or Cadillac. But GM sacrificed it to the Obama administration to get taxpayer money to move towards their agenda vehicles. It's a shame because Hummer could have been a great outlet for efficient and reliable diesels, possibly paired with hybrid tech. But the identity politics starting then were just too strong, sadly.

Now that you mention it you are probably right. Honestly didn't follow politics or anything like that at all back then. However I do remember people complaining about how they were gas guzzlers and the gas guzzler tax (is that still a thing?). Also remember the cash for clunkers things because my father in law traded his old F150 for a Hyundai during that program.

[NWH83]

I can't think of any other automobile that has come out recently that has been talked about as much as the cyber truck. Co-workers of mine who are the furthest thing away from even caring about cars had full on conversations about it, come to think of it, almost everyone I know had an opinion about it. My point is, it got people talking, and that was probably tesla's goal. Whether people hate it, like it, or love it, they were talking. Now, around here, close to silicon valley, there are so many on the road that no one even seems to care anymore. Regardless, it was the most polarizing vehicle in recent memory when it came out, and it has served it's purpose to tesla.

[BlkGS]

Pretty sure Elon Musk has made sure that EVERYONE knows about Tesla. Tesla and Elon have been probably the most polarizing person and company of the year lol

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by NWH83

I can't think of any other automobile that has come out recently that has been talked about as much as the cyber truck. Co-workers of mine who are the furthest thing away from even caring about cars had full on conversations about it, come to think of it, almost everyone I know had an opinion about it. My point is, it got people talking, and that was probably tesla's goal. Whether people hate it, like it, or love it, they were talking. Now, around here, close to silicon valley, there are so many on the road that no one even seems to care anymore. Regardless, it was the most polarizing vehicle in recent memory when it came out, and it has served it's purpose to tesla.

Well... when it comes to marketing gimmicks I'll take the cybertruck over whatever the fuck jaguar is doing any day.