[robopp]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Been following the thread.

Think that is great news.

Even though there is no body/chassis damage I suspect BMW wanted the car back to study the car, the damage. BMW might even reassess its apparent lack of protection to a rather exposed cooler.

BMW didn’t total it. The insurance company did. Unless BMW buys it from the insurance company, they’ll never get their hands on it.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by robopp

BMW didn’t total it. The insurance company did. Unless BMW buys it from the insurance company, they’ll never get their hands on it.

That the insurance company totaled it... No doubt the best for the OP but still unexpected.

[WhiteRqbbit]

The last thing BMW will do is issue a recall on this, especially since the design concept has been around for so long.

I've been thinking about adding a splitter to the car, and I may end up fully covering it while providing an airgap or possibly completely relocating the cooler.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Don't know about Mustang engine costs or even BMW engine costs, but some years ago I got a quote for a factory replacement engine for my 2002 Boxster 2.7l 217hp engine.

Did not need a new engine was just curious.

Anyhow, a new factory engine was $19,000 with a core. $26,000 without a core. Price did not include cost to swap out old engine and install new engine.

This for a car that I bought new in Jan. 2002 for $43,000.

That delta is pretty significant - probably higher than most brands foreign and domestic.

In my case with the N55, I knew I would not get the core charge back because of the newly created inspection port my N55 had on the side of the block.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by WhiteRqbbit

The last thing BMW will do is issue a recall on this, especially since the design concept has been around for so long.

I've been thinking about adding a splitter to the car, and I may end up fully covering it while providing an airgap or possibly completely relocating the cooler.

I'm curious if the ground clearance to the engine oil cooler is going to be a problem on the track if you're at full suspension compression and somehow go off-line and over a higher corner curb...

[WhiteRqbbit]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

I'm curious if the ground clearance to the engine oil cooler is going to be a problem on the track if you're at full suspension compression and somehow go off-line and over a higher corner curb...

I would say damage is 100% possible. I have been searching for anyone doing relocation and can't find a single product offering or build thread covering it.

There isn't much room to relocate upfront, but I'm thinking maybe you can relocate to the rear with an aux cooler - the question is, can the transmission pumping mechanism pump that extra distance without issue?

[DSTR]

So now BMW might want to say the car is track ready.........

So long as it stays perfectly on track its ready...............

Go near any curbing, compressed to even a small mound of rocks/earth etc and that cooler is probably going to be damaged lol. The best place for that cooler is on top of the motor. Not so sure the car would look so good with a larger 'power-dome' etc.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by M2siast

This has been out for almost 10 years now and hundreds of thousands of cars…

You make it sound like this is a prototype people are just having an eureka moment on. If it was as big of an issue as you’re making it out to be, it wouldn’t be in the market still.

The lack of protection is the issue. The unit is utterly fragile at that. My dealer here in Germany has stories etc. More than he cares to share and is astonished how this liability is off-loaded on to owners.

The folks dealing with actual failures are experiencing 'eureka' moments about this. Sadly and preventable by BMW but they will not alter the approach. Thanks for telling me it has existed for so long lol The things we learn on a forum.

EUREKA LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by DSTR

The lack of protection is the issue. The unit is utterly fragile at that. My dealer here in Germany has stories etc. More than he cares to share and is astonished how this liability is off-loaded on to owners.

The folks dealing with actual failures are experiencing 'eureka' moments about this. Sadly and preventable by BMW but they will not alter the approach. Thanks for telling me it has existed for so long lol The things we learn on a forum.

EUREKA LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Originally Posted by M2siast

I'd respond if I'd understood what you wrote. Instead story, BMWs, Porsches, and other cars don't belong on track because they can be damaged if they get damaged. Eureka.

We're not saying the car "doesn't belong on track".

We're just saying that it's an amazingly capable platform if the operator is financially capable of at least one $35-40k out of pocket expense for a powertrain failure.

[shehatezme]

Mishimoto skid plate back ordered for 8-10 weeks

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I'd respond if I'd understood what you wrote. Instead story, BMWs, Porsches, and other cars don't belong on track because they can be damaged if they get damaged. Eureka.

No Ive owned multiple BMW's and M cars. You attempted to educate me.
I was making fun of your post. Old news this is yet it stays in the news.

[KC87ZB]

Mishimoto plate shipping today. They are clearing back orders. Placed order right before Christmas. Not bad from the 8-10 quoted weeks.

[Ointment0440]

Yeah, my Mishimoto plate shipped today as well, expecting to arrive next week.

xps grats on your new M2, glad you didn't have to wait long to pick it up!

[Hybridizer]

Originally Posted by xps

Update: the car is totaled

I'm really sorry to hear, I am surprised that they opted to total the car out considering the age of the car. Did you hint either way what you wanted them to do? Not that an adjuster would ever take it into consideration.

Also what part of Michigan are you in? Curious what dealership you had it dropped off at.

Last what is your game plan moving forward. Another M2? Are you walking about with PTSD towards the model now?

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by shehatezme

Mishimoto skid plate back ordered for 8-10 weeks

Here's another option, message Paul Riccio on Facebook
Someone posted it halfway in this thread, I ordered mine already.
Video here of it https://www.facebook.com/groups/6857...40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

[xps]

Originally Posted by Hybridizer

I'm really sorry to hear, I am surprised that they opted to total the car out considering the age of the car. Did you hint either way what you wanted them to do? Not that an adjuster would ever take it into consideration.

Also what part of Michigan are you in? Curious what dealership you had it dropped off at.

Last what is your game plan moving forward. Another M2? Are you walking about with PTSD towards the model now?

I think the car is totalled because of the obnoxious parts and labour BMW is charging. The insurance said they will make back considerable money by selling the car off at the auction, i.e. the salvage value of the car without an engine is well above the 25k or so they have to pay over the 47k repair bill to pay off. So, economically totalling out makes a lot of sense.

Also, the insurance was real breeze and they really took care of the situation. This is the first time I am filing a claim of any sort, I was surprised how well they handled everything from explaining the process and following up regularly to explaining all the benefits I had. There is also sales tax reimbursement when a car gets totalled as a perk for MI residents.

If anyone is interested, I am using Progressive.

Well, as posted, I already got another M2 and have driven 150miles. Really enjoying it🤩

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by xps

I think the car is totalled because of the obnoxious parts and labour BMW is charging. The insurance said they will make back considerable money by selling the car off at the auction, i.e. the salvage value of the car without an engine is well above the 25k or so they have to pay over the 47k repair bill to pay off. So, economically totalling out makes a lot of sense.

Also, the insurance was real breeze and they really took care of the situation. This is the first time I am filing a claim of any sort, I was surprised how well they handled everything from explaining the process and following up regularly to explaining all the benefits I had. There is also sales tax reimbursement when a car gets totalled as a perk for MI residents.

If anyone is interested, I am using Progressive.

Well, as posted, I already got another M2 and have driven 150miles. Really enjoying it🤩

And herein lies the problem with modern BMWs.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

And herein lies the problem with modern BMWs.

No problem it’s typical of all luxury and exotic brands. Porsche really values its spare VW made parts!! Ferrari loves to value its Fiat parts as well. Or Lambo’s Audi bin parts!

[apez]

Originally Posted by DSTR

No problem it’s typical of all luxury and exotic brands. Porsche really values its spare VW made parts!! Ferrari loves to value its Fiat parts as well. Or Lambo’s Audi bin parts!

Some people don't like him, but I really like watching Matt Armstrong rebuild cars and highlight all the weird parts on cars and how he gets a better deal. The Lamborghini Mercy build in particular has some great ones.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by apez

Some people don't like him, but I really like watching Matt Armstrong rebuild cars and highlight all the weird parts on cars and how he gets a better deal. The Lamborghini Mercy build in particular has some great ones.

I lived with this situation with 3 different Lotus Esprit Turbo's. My 86 had Toyota brakes etc. Thanks Mr Toyota dealer at 1/3rd the cost among other parts bin pieces that could be cross shopped and sourced rather easily actually!

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

And herein lies the problem with modern BMWs.

It's not just BMWs, or other "luxury" brands. The DCT in the new Corvette is $15k plus labor & is currently unfixable. If there is an issue, in almost all cases GM requires a full replacement. Most I've read about have been taken care of under warranty but there's been at least one where GM decided to void the warranty and stick the owner with the bill, which came to about $20k iirc. Then you have new owners with cars sitting for months because GM doesn't have parts. I've seen more C8s lemon lawed than any previous generation Corvette.

People over there love to bash on BMWs and say "dump them before the warranty runs out", but reading about the constant issues with the C8, I wouldn't touch them even with a warranty.

Parts for many, many brands have gotten very expensive & dealer labor has always been outrageous.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by DSTR

No problem it’s typical of all luxury and exotic brands. Porsche really values its spare VW made parts!! Ferrari loves to value its Fiat parts as well. Or Lambo’s Audi bin parts!

Agreed.

Originally Posted by JABCAT

It's not just BMWs, or other "luxury" brands. The DCT in the new Corvette is $15k plus labor & is currently unfixable. If there is an issue, in almost all cases GM requires a full replacement. Most I've read about have been taken care of under warranty but there's been at least one where GM decided to void the warranty and stick the owner with the bill, which came to about $20k iirc. Then you have new owners with cars sitting for months because GM doesn't have parts. I've seen more C8s lemon lawed than any previous generation Corvette.

People over there love to bash on BMWs and say "dump them before the warranty runs out", but reading about the constant issues with the C8, I wouldn't touch them even with a warranty.

Parts for many, many brands have gotten very expensive & dealer labor has always been outrageous.

Completely agree.

I was doing some additional research for my next track platform a few years down the road. On the surface, the C8 looks great, but that transmission replacement cost seriously concerns me. It's not nearly as proofed out as the ZF 8HP is. It's also significantly more expensive than the engine cost which is alarming. The replacement cost of a ZF 8HP on a BMW has gotten out of control as well because the MSRP on a replacement ZF 8HP76 is almost $15k too:

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...10-24009504770

While the C8 Z51 and the G87 M2 are more capable track platforms than the Mustang Dark Horse, the running costs and the repair/replacement costs for a car concern me. I think once people have to pay out of pocket for an out of warranty engine replacement on a late model non-M car for an engine that turns into kibbles and bits at the track, they *may* think more alike and accept some tradeoffs.

I think this is also why domestic cars like the Mustang (GT350 variants and Mach 1) and 6th Gen Camaro SS 1LE / ZL1 are becoming more prevalent at HPDEs and why there are fewer and fewer late model BMW M cars.