[NickyC]

Originally Posted by devondragon

The M4 has very little recoil (heavy + semi-auto action) and mine holds 9 rounds. I agree, pump action adds to the complexity of the situation, and with sweaty hands and racing the clock its easy to screw up a pump (at least for me).

I also agree with leaving one chambered. If I'm armed, then I need to be ready to shoot someone if I deem it necessary. I can yell, or try to deescalate verbally if the situation warrants, but in general I don't want to be trying to use weapon noises to scare someone. I don't want to be in a position where I can't shoot if I need to, and I don't want to be in a position where I have to announce my location before shooting.

The Benelli M4 is the greatest weapon ever designed for us peons. Nobody is changing my mind.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by NickyC

The Benelli M4 is the greatest weapon ever designed for us peons. Nobody is changing my mind.

I'll meet you with my lowly .308, we'll pace off 150 yards each way in opposite directions, and we each fire once at the other. "after the sound of the gat" you tell me if you've changed your mind.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by mantis

well looks like shits getting deep around us, so time to get armed.

looking to acquire a assault rifle type, shotty, and couple pistols, but would like to get buildable platforms.

looking for advice, and what not

There's a sticky on r/tacticalgear that goes beyond firearms, but I think it's worth sharing here..

https://www.reddit.com/r/tacticalgea...ticularly_new/

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by devondragon

Why don't you like shotguns for HD?

Bimmer Ag summed up most of my thoughts.

Low capacity and slow reloads
Long, cumbersome
Heavy recoil
Myth about the racking sound
Myth about pellet spread and "can't miss at this range"
Not one-hand friendly
Ammo choice is very important

Now, most/all of those issues can be overcome with training, but I think a handgun or short AR is better for most people.

You've obviously considered the limitations and worked around them, so the shotgun is a good choice for you. Some people don't take the time to condsider what is best, only what is easiest/quickest/cheapest. And I can't stand the Joe Biden type advice of, "just get a shotgun and you'll scare off the bad guy when you rack the slide."

[devondragon]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I'll meet you with my lowly .308, we'll pace off 150 yards each way in opposite directions, and we each fire once at the other. "after the sound of the gat" you tell me if you've changed your mind.

Different tools for different jobs. The M4 is an amazing piece of hardware though

[devondragon]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Bimmer Ag summed up most of my thoughts.

Low capacity and slow reloads
Long, cumbersome
Heavy recoil
Myth about the racking sound
Myth about pellet spread and "can't miss at this range"
Not one-hand friendly
Ammo choice is very important

Now, most/all of those issues can be overcome with training, but I think a handgun or short AR is better for most people.

You've obviously considered the limitations and worked around them, so the shotgun is a good choice for you. Some people don't take the time to condsider what is best, only what is easiest/quickest/cheapest. And I can't stand the Joe Biden type advice of, "just get a shotgun and you'll scare off the bad guy when you rack the slide."

No argument here. FWIW I also keep a nice handgun with light in my bedside table. I just like having options. Short ARs are very nice, like I said, a suppressed .300 blk is one of my favorite types of rifles, and I do debate moving one to the bedroom, but so far the M4 has stayed

It really does come down to thinking it through and training training training

[andrewmr]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I'll meet you with my lowly .308, we'll pace off 150 yards each way in opposite directions, and we each fire once at the other. "after the sound of the gat" you tell me if you've changed your mind.

I own an M4, and a HK91... I don't want to get hit by anything coming out of either one of them.

They each have their own purpose, and an M4 (especially the 14 inch version) is an excellent home defense weapon.

And if you really want to play that distance game.... you use your .308 and I'll use my M82A1. And to make it comparable to your post, let's move out to 1,000 yards.

[devondragon]

Originally Posted by andrewmr

I own an M4, and a HK91... I don't want to get hit by anything coming out of either one of them.

They each have their own purpose, and an M4 (especially the 14 inch version) is an excellent home defense weapon.

And if you really want to play that distance game.... you use your .308 and I'll use my M82A1. And to make it comparable to your post, let's move out to 1,000 yards.

My M82 puts the biggest smile on my face every time I pull that trigger

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by devondragon

It really does come down to thinking it through and training training training

That is key.

It's the chef, not the knife. The driver, not the car. The Indian, not the bow.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

I'll meet you with my lowly .308, we'll pace off 150 yards each way in opposite directions, and we each fire once at the other. "after the sound of the gat" you tell me if you've changed your mind.

You don't need to convince me! I love my .308s!!!

My "Hebrew Hammer" .308 IWI ACE is a boom cannon hah. The dirty looks this thing gets at the range from folks with inadequate ear protection!

[1MOREMOD]

Isn't 308 for gophers and such

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

All this shotgun talk...

Picked up 250 rds of 00 from Lucky Gunner. I could use more straight-up 12-ball Buckshot. Most stuff I have is fancier wadded buckshot, 3-gun/competition buckshot, or slugs.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by NickyC

The Benelli M4 is the greatest weapon ever designed for us peons. Nobody is changing my mind.

Niiice.

That right there is a fine collection of firearms we can't own in Dirty Jerz.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

Niiice.

That right there is a fine collection of firearms we can't own in Dirty Jerz.

Sorry!!

But thanks.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by andrewmr

I own an M4, and a HK91... I don't want to get hit by anything coming out of either one of them.

They each have their own purpose, and an M4 (especially the 14 inch version) is an excellent home defense weapon.

And if you really want to play that distance game.... you use your .308 and I'll use my M82A1. And to make it comparable to your post, let's move out to 1,000 yards.

Yes, but *I* never said the .308 was the greatest weapon ever....

I would love to shoot the M82. Would absolutely love it. Now, however, thanks to the jerkoff that we have as a Prime Minister, all 50's are banned and prohibited firearms. That's what we get for electing a snowboard instructor to be leader of our country. Though in fairness, I and many others were opposed to him right from the start and voted for the other guy.

Originally Posted by NickyC

You don't need to convince me! I love my .308s!!!

My "Hebrew Hammer" .308 IWI ACE is a boom cannon hah. The dirty looks this thing gets at the range from folks with inadequate ear protection!

Ha ha, nice! Yeah, that muzzle brake on the end definitely would add to the report for sure. I have one at the end of the Remington 700 and she's loud. Gets the odd look or two at the range even from people wearing ears.

[andrewmr]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Yes, but *I* never said the .308 was the greatest weapon ever....

I would love to shoot the M82. Would absolutely love it. Now, however, thanks to the jerkoff that we have as a Prime Minister, all 50's are banned and prohibited firearms. That's what we get for electing a snowboard instructor to be leader of our country. Though in fairness, I and many others were opposed to him right from the start and voted for the other guy.

I never said that you said it was the greatest weapon ever...... and I never said it wasn't :-)


Big bore guns can be fun to shoot. I really want a 20mm or 25mm but they would be ridiculous money to shoot.

[Murf993]

I need some time at the range.

[devondragon]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I need some time at the range.

Always! I'm lucky in that I moved this Spring and now my range is outside my house. This morning my fiancé suggested we run 1R1 handgun drills, so that's what we did before breakfast! Love it!

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by devondragon

Always! I'm lucky in that I moved this Spring and now my range is outside my house. This morning my fiancé suggested we run 1R1 handgun drills, so that's what we did before breakfast! Love it!

I have a 30 min drive to the range, it's nice through the country but a bit of a pain. My wife and I have been talking about moving out to a small farm/wooded area with a barn and the ability to shoot at home.

[devondragon]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I have a 30 min drive to the range, it's nice through the country but a bit of a pain. My wife and I have been talking about moving out to a small farm/wooded area with a barn and the ability to shoot at home.

Yeah before moving I had a 30 minute drive to the range (plus waiting for a lane). I have to say I am really loving living out in the country for a long list of reasons. I miss the city much less than expected. Although my M5 wishes the road to my house was paved

[Grip Addict]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I have a 30 min drive to the range, it's nice through the country but a bit of a pain. My wife and I have been talking about moving out to a small farm/wooded area with a barn and the ability to shoot at home.

Yeah my next house I want to be far away from others and the "far" will be defined by if I can just walk out my back door and blast away without a neighbor hearing me. (of course with a safe set up, dirt pile, etc.)

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Grip Addict

Yeah my next house I want to be far away from others and the "far" will be defined by if I can just walk out my back door and blast away without a neighbor hearing me. (of course with a safe set up, dirt pile, etc.)

That sounds attractive except I can't help but fear how difficult it might be to get a good pizza delivered at a place like that.