[Rx-7ames]

Originally Posted by snelldogg

I dont have confidence in a dealer knowing this for certain at this point.

My guess is that this CA is trying to set realistic expectations for those waiting in line. It would also help reinforce exclusivity if they are asking for ADM.

I would feel comfortable saying the same thing at my store based on 6-8 M3s per year that we get. 2 a year seems like a good number for my store. If I'm right then I was right. If we get more then that's also good news.

But your point stands. No CA can know how many they will get.

[Rx-7ames]

It would be interesting to see how many people are in the order bank. I bet the average is 5 per dealership. Let's say that's the case. That would be 1,835 order. I would guess at least 10% are duplicates with people having deposits at multiple dealerships. It might be more, but that would drop us to 1,651. I would also guess that 25% will back out when the allocation comes available. That brings us to 1,235. With 42 allocations coming out today that means we have almost 1,200 disappointed people who are still waiting for an allocation. Come on SLP, start pumping these babies out!

[snelldogg]

Originally Posted by Rx-7ames

My guess is that this CA is trying to set realistic expectations for those waiting in line. It would also help reinforce exclusivity if they are asking for ADM.

I would feel comfortable saying the same thing at my store based on 6-8 M3s per year that we get. 2 a year seems like a good number for my store. If I'm right then I was right. If we get more then that's also good news.

But your point stands. No CA can know how many they will get.

Great insight. Makes sense!

[Rx-7ames]

Originally Posted by snelldogg

Great insight. Makes sense!

I could be way off. I'm just bored and having fun.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Rx-7ames

It would be interesting to see how many people are in the order bank. I bet the average is 5 per dealership. Let's say that's the case. That would be 1,835 order. I would guess at least 10% are duplicates with people having deposits at multiple dealerships. It might be more, but that would drop us to 1,651. I would also guess that 25% will back out when the allocation comes available. That brings us to 1,235. With 42 allocations coming out today that means we have almost 1,200 disappointed people who are still waiting for an allocation. Come on SLP, start pumping these babies out!

It has nothing to do with SLP pumping cars out. They dont have the orders yet. We need BMW to get the allocations to the dealerships so they can assign to begin initiating the customer's orders.

[FryCookOnVenus]

I spoke with the GM of BMW Denver Downtown today. Nice guy. As of now, there are 25 people on the waitlist. He said they received about 15 M3's last year but expect fewer M2's this year and estimates it'll be about two years of waiting for anyone who joins the list today.

He also said the HEA allocation is coming and is still unsold.

Just sharing info as we all try to get our heads around the allocation picture, and to let people know that there might be a car available for someone willing to act fast and accept whatever comes in.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

I spoke with the GM of BMW Denver Downtown today. Nice guy. As of now, there are 25 people on the waitlist. He said they received about 25 M3's last year but expect fewer M2's this year and estimates it'll be about two years of waiting for anyone who joins the list today.

He also said the HEA allocation is coming and is still unsold.

Just sharing info as we all try to get our heads around the allocation picture, and to let people know that there might be a car available for someone willing to act fast and accept whatever comes in.

25 people passed on the HEA? Wild.

[FryCookOnVenus]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

25 people passed on the HEA? Wild.

That's what he said. As always, take with a grain of salt whatever you hear from someone trying to sell you something.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

That's what he said. As always, take with a grain of salt whatever you hear from someone trying to sell you something.

25 people passing doesn't help to fan the flames of FOMO.

[moodyhank82]

Their HEA is an auto with no heated steering wheel, tough sell here in Colorado.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

Their HEA is an auto with no heated steering wheel, tough sell here in Colorado.

Yes, 6MT is a must for me. I wish I could remove heated steering but it is std in Canada (this car will a Summer toy and I never had heated steering).

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

Yes, 6MT is a must for me. I wish I could remove heated steering but it is std in Canada (this car will a Summer toy and I never had heated steering).

Why remove heated steering? It's pretty cheap, weighs nothing, and has no real detrimental effect to the car?

[zero21]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

Their HEA is an auto with no heated steering wheel, tough sell here in Colorado.

It's hard for me to understand why someone wants to daily a 460hp RWD car with a stick, in a place like CO. For the price of winter wheels and tires you could buy a winter beater and save the fuckall you'd put your shiny new sports car through every year...

What am I missing here?

[moodyhank82]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's hard for me to understand why someone wants to daily a 460hp RWD car with a stick, in a place like CO. For the price of winter wheels and tires you could buy a winter beater and save the fuckall you'd put your shiny new sports car through every year...

What am I missing here?

A few things:

1) I don't want to drive a beater car. I want to drive the best/most fun car I can drive everyday.

2) BMW does not offer a manual car with xDrive.

3) Most winter days in Denver Metro are still sunny and dry, temperatures above freezing.

4) I don't need to commute to work every day so the G87 can remain in the garage if there is more than couple of inches of snow on the ground. Plus we have a G05 in the garage should an emergency arise.

5) I daily drove an ND Miata for two years back when I had a long daily commute and not only it was doable but it was also simply great fun.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

A few things:

1) I don't want to drive a beater car. I want to drive the best/most fun car I can drive everyday.

2) BMW does not offer a manual car with xDrive.

3) Most winter days in Denver Metro are still sunny and dry, temperatures above freezing.

4) I don't need to commute to work every day so the G87 can remain in the garage if there is more than couple of inches of snow on the ground. Plus we have a G05 in the garage should an emergency arise.

5) I daily drove an ND Miata for two years back when I had a long daily commute and not only it was doable but it was also simply great fun.

Yeah, I was in Denver for work in January and it was surprisingly warm some of the days. The delta between being chilly enough that a heated steering wheel is nice and too cold/icy to drive a M2 is pretty big.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's hard for me to understand why someone wants to daily a 460hp RWD car with a stick, in a place like CO. For the price of winter wheels and tires you could buy a winter beater and save the fuckall you'd put your shiny new sports car through every year...

What am I missing here?

Cars are meant to be driven

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

Cars are meant to be driven

But there are all kinds of cars that would thrive in that environment that are fun to drive. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight and adding a laser sighting system to it (chains, tires). Hahaha

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by zero21

Why remove heated steering? It's pretty cheap, weighs nothing, and has no real detrimental effect to the car?

No need for it. I am not worried about resale and one more thing that can break.

[moodyhank82]

Originally Posted by zero21

But there are all kinds of cars that would thrive in that environment that are fun to drive. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight and adding a laser sighting system to it (chains, tires). Hahaha

Well, not really if you think about it. Golf R manual is probably closest thing but still is a fwd biased car with a 2 liter 4 cylinder engine. GR Corolla is fun but doesn't have BMW's refinement. Same problem with the WRX. And that is it really, no other AWD fun cars with a manual transmission on sale today. So rwd with a limited slip diff is pretty much the next best thing and name a better car for the price than the G87, at least on paper. 4BW is probably the next best option but comes with GM build quality, interior, and depreciation.

[FryCookOnVenus]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's hard for me to understand why someone wants to daily a 460hp RWD car with a stick, in a place like CO. For the price of winter wheels and tires you could buy a winter beater and save the fuckall you'd put your shiny new sports car through every year...

What am I missing here?

I live in Denver and the weather is much better than many people imagine. From November to March, 95% of the time it's cold but the roads are clear. I'd guess I could drive the M ~350 days of the year with no issues at all.

For those days when the roads are really messy, I'll drive our old 4Runner. You're right that having a winter beater is a nice luxury, but it's not like the M2 has to be garaged for five months a year, and with good snow tires, it'd be a fine if not ideal daily.

[Scottydont1414]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

I live in Denver and the weather is much better than many people imagine. From November to March, 95% of the time it's cold but the roads are clear. I'd guess I could drive the M ~350 days of the year with no issues at all.

For those days when the roads are really messy, I'll drive our old 4Runner. You're right that having a winter beater is a nice luxury, but it's not like the M2 has to be garaged for five months a year, and with good snow tires, it'd be a fine if not ideal daily.

Same thing in Alberta Canada. Yes it’s winter for 6 months but I drove my m235 rwd 6sp on most days. It was probably parked 20-30 days total due to weather.

I always found it funny my BMW had the heated steering wheel but our truck and suv did not.

I traded the m235 for a Golf R for AWD and 6sp and it wasn’t worth it. It was quick sure, but not sporty. Not much fun. The WRX is horrendous inside.

[FryCookOnVenus]

Originally Posted by Scottydont1414

Same thing in Alberta Canada. Yes it’s winter for 6 months but I drove my m235 rwd 6sp on most days. It was probably parked 20-30 days total due to weather.

I always found it funny my BMW had the heated steering wheel but our truck and suv did not.

I traded the m235 for a Golf R for AWD and 6sp and it wasn’t worth it. It was quick sure, but not sporty. Not much fun. The WRX is horrendous inside.

Is your R an Mk8? I'm on the M2 waitlist, but the sensible angel on my shoulder sometimes whispers, "Just get an R ya' dummy. It's 90% of the performance with twice the practicality for 2/3rds the cost."
My biggest apprehension about the R was the interior but I never thought it would be lacking in the fun department. Are you able to talk more about the difference in driving dynamics between your R and old M235?