[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by mzimand

The front end of my BG G42 was peppered after 10K miles. Not sure if it was the paint or the fact that most of the miles were done on back roads. That said I have not decided if I am going with PPF on my ZB M2 being delivered today at 2pm. I am leasing the car and not sure if I will keep more then a year or 2.

1/2 years on a lease, then I probably wouldn't.

I personally am doing full front end + full cf roof + full tints/windshield + ceramic coating. Just over $4k is tough to stomach but the peace of mind and easy cleanup is worth it to me. I will keep it 3-4 years also.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by fcman

I can’t see why you would bother with ppf on a leased car. That’s a lot of money to protect someone else’s paint tbh.

The standard lease return requirement in Canada is stone chips through the paint within a 2” circle and 3 circles per panel are acceptable wear and tear. That means 4 stone chips on a given panel could mean a requirement for panel reconditioning, a repaint of a single panel would cost more than PPF for that panel when new. Here in Alberta a single winter would have dozens of stone chips on the front bumper and quite a few on the leading edge of the bonnet/bumper.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by aerobod

The standard lease return requirement in Canada is stone chips through the paint within a 2” circle and 3 circles per panel are acceptable wear and tear. That means 4 stone chips on a given panel could mean a requirement for panel reconditioning, a repaint of a single panel would cost more than PPF for that panel when new. Here in Alberta a single winter would have dozens of stone chips on the front bumper and quite a few on the leading edge of the bonnet/bumper.

Repainting a panel is pretty much the same cost as doing PPF on it. A bumper is like $800 to PPF. Should easily be able to find a shop to respray for that amount or less.

Original, good condition paint is much more valuable IMO. But again, it doesn't really matter with a lease. I very highly doubt you'd get so many chips they'll make you repaint panels, unless you're doing mountain runs behind another M2 every weekend

If you're getting dozens of rock chips in a single winter, I think the bigger issue is with how you drive behind others.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

Repainting a panel is pretty much the same cost as doing PPF on it. A bumper is like $800 to PPF. Should easily be able to find a shop to respray for that amount or less.

Original, good condition paint is much more valuable IMO. But again, it doesn't really matter with a lease. I very highly doubt you'd get so many chips they'll make you repaint panels, unless you're doing mountain runs behind another M2 every weekend

If you're getting dozens of rock chips in a single winter, I think the bigger issue is with how you drive behind others.

You obviously haven’t driven in a winter climate below -20C where 5mm gravel is the standard traction aid spread on the snow covered roads below that temperature and stays on the roads until spring road sweeping in April. One passing vehicle can create multiple stone chips when stirring up that gravel that settles to the side of the driving lane after the snow has melted.

Also, I got the whole of the front bumper, full hood and fenders done for CAD$1400 with Suntek PPF, a bumper repaint alone at a decent body shop would be CAD$1000.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by aerobod

You obviously haven’t driven in a winter climate below -20C where 5mm gravel is the standard traction aid spread on the snow covered roads below that temperature and stays on the roads until spring road sweeping in April.

I used to spend every winter in western Colorado, so definitely familiar. It's where I learned to avoid rock chips

$1000 USD for full front PPF seems suspiciously low. I don't even think that covers the material cost. Standard is $2200-2800 on the east and west coast. Would love to see the quality of that in person.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

I used to spend every winter in western Colorado, so definitely familiar. It's where I learned to avoid rock chips

$1000 USD for full front PPF seems suspiciously low. I don't even think that covers the material cost. Standard is $2200-2800 on the east and west coast. Would love to see the quality of that in person.

Quality of job is excellent for the PPF, along with lower cost windshields here (CAD$369 for a Macan S PGW or Sekurit one) we just have more demand, more skilled installers and competition, compared with pretty well every other market, where I’m surprised how much people overpay.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Quality of job is excellent for the PPF, along with lower cost windshields here (CAD$369 for a Macan S PGW or Sekurit one) we just have more demand, more skilled installers and competition, compared with pretty well every other market, where I’m surprised how much people overpay.

Huh?? It is definitely the opposite considering Canada has 10% the population of the US..

Which means less installers, less demand, and less competition...

A roll of Stek PPF is like $1000, so again either that was a buddy price with almost no labor factored in, a shitty shop, or u just cappin

Anyway... not here to start drama. If you're happy with it, all that matters.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

Huh?? It is definitely the opposite considering Canada has 10% the population of the US..

Which means less installers, less demand, and less competition...

A roll of PPF is like $1000, so again either that was a buddy price with almost no labor factored in, a shitty shop, or u just cappin

Anyway... not here to start drama. If you're happy with it, all that matters.

Pretty well every new car in the Calgary market is sold with partial hood and front PPF coverage due to the winter gravel so as a percentage of cars sold it is a high demand PPF market.

Suntek PPF should be about CAD$100 per square metre (~USD$75) wholesale for standard about 30% more for matte. Needs about 5 sq metres including wastage for a G87 full front and a skilled installer can install it in about 3-4 hours. You need to find suppliers with lower markup.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Pretty well every new car in the Calgary market is sold with partial hood and front PPF coverage due to the winter gravel so as a percentage of cars sold it is a high demand PPF market.

Suntek PPF should be about CAD$100 per square metre (~USD$75) wholesale for standard about 30% more for matte. Needs about 5 sq metres including wastage for a G87 full front and a skilled installer can install it in about 3-4 hours. You need to find suppliers with lower markup.

Another odd underestimation, but sure.

Here is my PPF cutout, with full roof. 156 sq ft = ~15 square meters, $1125 material cost using your numbers. Without the roof maybe $950. No one is full prepping a car and installing full front-end PPF in 3 hours, for $100.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

Another odd underestimation, but sure.

Here is my PPF cutout, with full roof. 156 sq ft = ~15 square meters, $1125 material cost using your numbers. Without the roof maybe $950. No one is full prepping a car and installing full front-end PPF in 3 hours, for $100.

The hood, 2 fenders and bumper can be done in 5 sq m if they are efficiently orientated (the roof, rocker panels and other non bumper fender and hood patterns are taking up about 50% of your plan with quite a bit of spare area), 6 if less efficient. The professionals I use are definitely efficient. Their team normally has about 10 vehicles being worked on on any given day. Besides a wash and clay bar (assuming no paint correction needed), there shouldn’t be a lot of time spent on a brand new car in prep.

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by aerobod

The hood, 2 fenders and bumper can be done in 5 sq m if they are efficiently orientated (the roof, rocker panels and other non bumper fender and hood patterns are taking up about 50% of your plan with quite a bit of spare area), 6 if less efficient. The professionals I use are definitely efficient. Their team normally has about 10 vehicles being worked on on any given day. Besides a wash and clay bar (assuming no paint correction needed), there shouldn’t be a lot of time spent on a brand new car in prep.

What... dude the hood and bumper pieces alone are more than 5 sq m. With NO fenders. All of the stuff to the left of the roof are additional front bumper pieces.

The cut plan is auto-optimized within the software and will do a lot better job than you moving things around in your head. There is always a lot of wasted space with PPF or vinyl. Anyway, if you found a shop to do basically free labor, more power to ya. But stop with these insane underestimations lol.

Gonna stop here..

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[lux]

Originally Posted by txmav

What PPF are you going to use? Are you getting a ceramic coating on top of the PPF?

Going with STEK and no ceramic coating. It already has a hydrophobic layer on top.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

What... dude the hood and bumper pieces alone are more than 5 sq m. With NO fenders. All of the stuff to the left of the roof are additional front bumper pieces.

The cut plan is auto-optimized within the software and will do a lot better job than you moving things around in your head. There is always a lot of wasted space with PPF or vinyl. Anyway, if you found a shop to do basically free labor, more power to ya. But stop with these insane underestimations lol.

Gonna stop here..

Pretty crap auto optimization with that program there, at least one-third waste space. Anyway, even the BMW dealers here will do full bumper, half hood and fenders and mirror caps with either XPEL or Suntek PPF with 10-year warranty for CAD$1,495 / USD$1,100 (including their significant markup, as they sub out to companies like the one I use), they add it by default on all new cars they sell.

On my car besides the full front, fenders and hood I added A-pillars, rocker panels, roof, headlights and bottom of rear bumper behind the rear wheels for a total of CAD$2,050 / USD$1500 without sales tax, with the car dropped off at lunchtime one day and picked up the next morning. From what I know, the material cost is about 50% of the price, about CAD$1,000 for my install.

It sounds as though you over pay for both material and PPF install in your market compared with what we pay here.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Pretty crap auto optimization with that program there, at least one-third waste space. Anyway, even the BMW dealers here will do full bumper, half hood and fenders and mirror caps with either XPEL or Suntek PPF with 10-year warranty for CAD$1,495 / USD$1,100 (including their significant markup, as they sub out to companies like the one I use), they add it by default on all new cars they sell.

On my car besides the full front, fenders and hood I added A-pillars, rocker panels, roof, headlights and bottom of rear bumper behind the rear wheels for a total of CAD$2,050 / USD$1500 without sales tax, with the car dropped off at lunchtime one day and picked up the next morning. From what I know, the material cost is about 50% of the price, about CAD$1,000 for my install.

It sounds as though you over pay for both material and PPF install in your market compared with what we pay here.

The bikini is a waste of money and time...and if the car is anything but white, the line on the hood will stick out like a sore thumb.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

The bikini is a waste of money and time...and if the car is anything but white, the line on the hood will stick out like a sore thumb.

It does keep the stone chips away in the main areas (you can see it is effective against winter road treatment gravel and sand here, from the cars that don’t have it and have a sand-blasted bumper after a few years) but I prefer the full front to avoid the line on the hood.

[txmav]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

I’m not doing PPF; my ‘15 F82 was virtually chip-free after 9 years and 51k miles.

Sorry for the confusion... My question was to LUX.

[txmav]

Originally Posted by lux

Going with STEK and no ceramic coating. It already has a hydrophobic layer on top.

Thanks. I hadn't heard of that PPF. It seems that most of the people that I have talked to use XPEL.

[GregW / Oregon]

We've gotten way off topic here\ - maybe Exterior Modifications thread?

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

We've gotten way off topic here\ - maybe Exterior Modifications thread?

Thanks.

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