[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

But if he really was concerned about comedians joking about his wife, this would be the last thing he’d do.

Have you followed Will Smith over the past several years? He's emotionally unwell. In my mind this perfectly fits something he WOULD do just based off his emotional stability over the past few years.

It's hard to compare acting in a movie to acting in a real life situation where audience reactions are variable. Everything was executed way too perfectly to suggest this was staged. ESPECIALLY the immediate responses and Chris Rock's moment of speechlessness.

As for the presence of security to prevent people from going up on stage... we're not talking about a random fan... we're talking about Will Smith. But besides that there's been many instances of fans making it on stage and security reaction being a bit delayed... however we have at least 1 more example of a celebrity going up on stage with no immediate repercussions (i.e. Kanye West).

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by minn19

Somewhat agreed, Smith shouldn’t of acted that way but if you go after someone’s family…………………….especially Rock knowing their rough history, knowing her condition and finally knowing Smith is an emotional loose cannon……………you better be ready for what’s next after you gone that road of jokes.

Then so should security, who should have stopped him before it happened, or at least removed him after the incident, if it were real.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Then so should security, who should have stopped him before it happened, or at least removed him after the incident, if it were real.

Yup, don’t disagree with that. He should’ve never been allowed to accept the award, much less continue with an acceptance speech.

Kudos to Rock for not pressing charges. He knows he was way out of line and took the slap like a man and moved on. He’s probably ok with it as this is the most publicity he’s had in years.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Have you followed Will Smith over the past several years? He's emotionally unwell. In my mind this perfectly fits something he WOULD do just based off his emotional stability over the past few years.

It's hard to compare acting in a movie to acting in a real life situation where audience reactions are variable. Everything was executed way too perfectly to suggest this was staged. ESPECIALLY the immediate responses and Chris Rock's moment of speechlessness.

As for the presence of security to prevent people from going up on stage... we're not talking about a random fan... we're talking about Will Smith. But besides that there's been many instances of fans making it on stage and security reaction being a bit delayed... however we have at least 1 more example of a celebrity going up on stage with no immediate repercussions (i.e. Kanye West).

So in your first paragraph you highlight how he is emotionally unwell and how this perfectly fits something he would do. Then in your last paragraph, make a case for security to ignore all that and just let him walk up on stage, hit someone and be allowed to just return to his seat.

If he is that much of an emotional train wreck and everyone knows it, security should have been ready to pounce as soon as he stood up. It's not like he ran - he had a decent walk to get there. At a minimum how could he not be removed from the event?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

So in your first paragraph you highlight how he is emotionally unwell and how this perfectly fits something he would do. Then if your last paragraph, make a case for security to ignore all that and just let him walk up on stage, hit someone and be allowed to just return to his seat.

If he is that much of an emotional train wreck and everyone knows it, security should have been ready to pounce as soon as he stood up. It's not like he ran - he had a decent walk to get there. At a minimum how could he not be removed from the event?

I feel for the security guys, I’m sure they had zero idea what to do during or after. Most of them don’t get paid much and the last thing they are expecting is for this to happen. I’m sure they were told from above to not approach Smith to not cause a further incident. Totally speculative of course, do I agree with it? No, but I’m pretty sure that’s how it went down.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

So in your first paragraph you highlight how he is emotionally unwell and how this perfectly fits something he would do. Then in your last paragraph, make a case for security to ignore all that and just let him walk up on stage, hit someone and be allowed to just return to his seat.

If he is that much of an emotional train wreck and everyone knows it, security should have been ready to pounce as soon as he stood up. It's not like he ran - he had a decent walk to get there. At a minimum how could he not be removed from the event?

I guess I'm not following your line of thinking... there's a difference between being emotionally unwell and being a candidate for an insane asylum. It's not like security is on high alert for "hey will smith is sitting in the front row, be ready to tackle him if he does anything funny".

Again - everyone knows Kanye West isn't entirely there mentally... but there were no immediate repercussions for him for going up on stage. Obviously celebrities at celebrity events aren't held to the same standards as fans at a concert. So I don't think you can use that same logic.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I guess I'm not following your line of thinking... there's a difference between being emotionally unwell and being a candidate for an insane asylum. It's not like security is on high alert for "hey will smith is sitting in the front row, be ready to tackle him if he does anything funny".

Again - everyone knows Kanye West isn't entirely there mentally... but there were no immediate repercussions for him for going up on stage. Obviously celebrities at celebrity events aren't held to the same standards as fans at a concert. So I don't think you can use that same logic.

My line of thinking?

You said "In my mind this perfectly fits something he WOULD do just based off his emotional stability over the past few years."

So if that's the case (and it is a widely held view, which was the implication of your post), it makes zero sense for security (or event organizers if so directing security) to just let him walk up on stage, do what he did and then just return to his seat like nothing happened, celebrity or otherwise.

[G80indy]

Atmos > DTS

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

My line of thinking?

You said "In my mind this perfectly fits something he WOULD do just based off his emotional stability over the past few years."

So if that's the case (and it is a widely held view, which was the implication of your post), it makes zero sense for security (or event organizers if so directing security) to just let him walk up on stage, do what he did and then just return to his seat like nothing happened, celebrity or otherwise.

I think you're mistaking being emotionally unwell with clinically diagnosed psychological disorders deemed a danger to others.

And I also think you're underestimating what it means to be a celebrity vs. what it means to be a random fan in terms of response from security. You're applying the logic applied to a random fan walking up on stage.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

lmfao who the fuck cares about what security would have done. we are watching one of the most corrupt award shows where a bunch of celebrities circle jerk each other.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I think you're mistaking being emotionally unwell with clinically diagnosed psychological disorders deemed a danger to others.

And I also think you're underestimating what it means to be a celebrity vs. what it means to be a random fan in terms of response from security. You're applying the logic applied to a random fan walking up on stage.

Again, I am just responding to your post that said, "In my mind this perfectly fits something he WOULD do just based off his emotional stability over the past few years." You said that, not me.

If you are walking that back now, that's fine. Let's move on.

[ASAP]

Off topic... but Chappelle would have probably said something again lmao...

[3.0L]

Ah yes, the life of the rich and famous weirdos.

Now we get to watch the lawyer weirdos wring their hand$.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I think you're mistaking being emotionally unwell with clinically diagnosed psychological disorders deemed a danger to others.

And I also think you're underestimating what it means to be a celebrity vs. what it means to be a random fan in terms of response from security. You're applying the logic applied to a random fan walking up on stage.

Well he did prove that he was a danger to others on live TV didn’t he?

Unfortunately a lot of people that have these disorders/conditions are a danger to others, you just don’t know.

[dreamingat30fps]

Holy crap!!! They still have oscars!!???

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Off topic... but Chappelle would have probably said something again lmao...

Guaranteed. Something something about not seeming to care when your wife tells you she’s being plowed by multiple men on national TV, but the hair thing is just too much something something.

Chappelle would have murdered him.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Again, I am just responding to your post that said, "In my mind this perfectly fits something he WOULD do just based off his emotional stability over the past few years." You said that, not me.

If you are walking that back now, that's fine. Let's move on.

And I was just responding to your post that said "But if he really was concerned about comedians joking about his wife, this would be the last thing he’d do."

I'm not walking anything back.... his emotional state has been questionable these past few years. So him doing what he did is personification of a knee-jerk emotional reaction as opposed to what you suggested, which would have been a more logical approach (this being the last thing he'd do if he was worried about comedians making jokes about his wife).

But suggesting security should be on high alert because Will Smith has presented a questionable emotional state over the past several years is a bit extreme. Again, it's not like he's clinically diagnosed as a danger to others that security needs to be made aware of his presence. Perhaps that changes now

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by minn19

Well he did prove that he was a danger to others on live TV didn’t he?

Unfortunately a lot of people that have these disorders/conditions are a danger to others, you just don’t know.

Sure... but this is all hindsight. Prior to this I don't recall him actually doing or explicitly stating anything that would make you think he was a danger to others. It's like diving into the mental state of criminals - things they may have said or done prior to committing a crime, in a vacuum, wouldn't have necessarily suggested they were going to commit a crime, but you go back in hindsight and start connecting dots to help explain the action.

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Originally Posted by wtwo3

I'm surprised people think this is fake. The reactions after the slap were way too real. Chris Rock being left speechless and in an awkward state was real... Will Smith's speech where he apologized to everyone EXCEPT Chris Rock was very real. Even if you could argue that Will Smith is a great actor... Chris Rock isn't really known for his acting skills. So that shocked expression and speechless moment for him was definitely not fake.

EXACTLY.

The entire earth knows it was indeed Real.

Props to Chris. He had every right to simply walk off the stage and file assault charges.
Will is going to be on major Damage Control for the foreseeable future...

[minn19]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Sure... but this is all hindsight. Prior to this I don't recall him actually doing or explicitly stating anything that would make you think he was a danger to others. It's like diving into the mental state of criminals - things they may have said or done prior to committing a crime, in a vacuum, wouldn't have necessarily suggested they were going to commit a crime, but you go back in hindsight and start connecting dots to help explain the action.

I don’t believe that, he’s had plenty of signs that this wasn’t a shock to me amd most others at least. Where and when he chose to do it, yah that was surprising. I think he’s had physical incidents in the past as well IIRC.

Edit: As I said before, Rock knows about their past, it was low enough to go after someone with a condition they have no control over………….but then to push it when you already have gone after each of them in the past and knows they don’t have a good relationship………..he (Rock) got what he was after finally.

[wtwo3]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-violence.html

Under normal circumstances, Smith would have almost certainly have been removed by security guards and escorted out of the auditorium for the attack, but the slap came moments before the award for Best Actor was to be announced.

Only two people in the building knew that Smith was to receive the coveted prize - two accountants from Price Waterhouse Coopers who oversee the tabulating of the Oscars results before the winning envelopes are handed out and opened onstage.

Without knowing who would win, producers were therefore placed in an impossible situation as to how to deal with the assault.

Smith's rep could be seen rushing to be by his side as the actor sat back down next to his wife, while the producer of the entire Oscars show, Packer, was also seen racing to Smith's table and said something to him.

The LAPD were also informed of what had occurred on stage but revealed later that no complaint had been filed.

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I watched the show for a couple minutes at a time, it's consistently not the best viewing. I missed the slap but I did see most of Will's acceptance speech. I was perplexed by the tears and then the Oscars logo going up near the end of his speech. After seeing the logo a few times, I wrote it off to the length of his speech then turned it off. Perhaps Chris crossed the line with the Jada jokes but Will has to understand that the Oscars is not the place to confront him.