[BadgerDog]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

This will be my 3rd BMW manual. Its something you must experience for yourself to understand if you like it. I wouldn't take anyone's word. It is more than functional.

Yeah. I've got an og m2 with no plans to upgrade so I'm just here with popcorn tbh. But this is truth.

Quite frankly my '10 NC Miata had a better feeling shifter. But it was dealing with a fraction of the torque too. And what I have im quite happy with. You just gotta try it for yourself and decide really.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by sl0m0

Dude we've been goin back and forth on here for roughly 4 months, congrats. I totally forgot about the phase of dissecting turds.

Thanks. And yeah, my car was born one week after him. That's why I picked baby blue 😂

[THEROK]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

Please, for the love of god. Allow me to stop embarrassing you any further.



https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...-issue-recall/

Your grade school level, hyperbolic drivel suits you.

All manus have their skeletons in the closet.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...-engine-fires/

So long as they own up to it, nothing out of pocket, enjoy and carry on. The DCTs in the N vehicles are fantastic. Take your meds and stop w/ the school boy bs posts.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

The bolded section of this wrongly implies that there is some group of people out there who wanted the M2 to be a heavy, torque converter automatic that looks like a gundam. There is no such group.

The car is a fat ugly pig missing its DCT because BMW is making cost-cutting decisions that now affect not only the cheap piano black no-travel buttons but which also affects the chassis and transmission. And because BMW is trying to get the Chinese market to buy German cars and somehow things that making it look like a Gundam will accomplish that.

BMW shouldn’t get a pass for all of this simply because the price is right. And we shouldn’t pretend a fat M2 is down to a matter of taste. It’s not.

I think we can all agree this car is a heavy pig. The m2 still ticks a lot of boxes for 77k (the way i would spec it) then i have another 15-25k set aside for instant mods.
But it could be worse, we could be picking lesser cars due to budget like my my brother in-law. He is kinda cheap and ended up with a GTS Cayman... we call him Gramps (he's in his 40's)
ONLY cayman I can stomach is the GT4. Color me weird, but I am on the waitlist for the GT3. The list is long and distinguished... like my johnson.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I think we can all agree this car is a heavy pig. The m2 still ticks a lot of boxes for 77k (the way i would spec it) then i have another 15-25k set aside for instant mods.
But it could be worse, we could be picking lesser cars due to budget like my my brother in-law. He is kinda cheap and ended up with a GTS Cayman... we call him Gramps (he's in his 40's)
ONLY cayman I can stomach is the GT4. Color me weird, but I am on the waitlist for the GT3. The list is long and distinguished... like my johnson.

So then you decided to get an M2?

I seem to remember you doing a lot of talking, but not a lot of pulling the trigger. Get on it.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I think we can all agree this car is a heavy pig. The m2 still ticks a lot of boxes for 77k (the way i would spec it) then i have another 15-25k set aside for instant mods.
But it could be worse, we could be picking lesser cars due to budget like my my brother in-law. He is kinda cheap and ended up with a GTS Cayman... we call him Gramps (he's in his 40's)
ONLY cayman I can stomach is the GT4. Color me weird, but I am on the waitlist for the GT3. The list is long and distinguished... like my johnson.

I honestly wasn't paying much attention when the OG M2C came out, but was it dogged on about it's weight?

It feels a bit silly to me how many 'heavy pig' comments the G87 is getting considering it's 'only' 330 lbs heavier than the F87. I realize that's a chunk of weight, but considering the larger footprint and the additional power it seems fairly in line with what would be expected.

Especially for those who know that there's low hanging fruit in swapping the wheels/battery for lighter, more expensive options.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

I honestly wasn't paying much attention when the OG M2C came out, but was it dogged on about it's weight?

It feels a bit silly to me how many 'heavy pig' comments the G87 is getting considering it's 'only' 330 lbs heavier than the F87. I realize that's a chunk of weight, but considering the larger footprint and the additional power it seems fairly in line with what would be expected.

Especially for those who know that there's low hanging fruit in swapping the wheels/battery for lighter, more expensive options.

Several of us are hoping to halve that weight difference

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I think we can all agree this car is a heavy pig.

It's heavy, but "heavy pig" implies a level of extravagence/incompetence that I think is unfair. BMW is a luxury brand, you aren't gonna get a "rollcage and nothing else" car from them. They won't remove the sound deadening or the tech.

Weight is only a problem if it's a problem. I'm not seeing evidence of that yet. The MPG is tolerable, it seems to corner great, it seems to be fast.

Sure, if you track it, that weight is gonna eat up tires and brakes. But let's be real here. This is a vanilla M, not a CSL, and the entry model to boot. It's not REALLY intended to be heavily tracked as-is. We all know this, deep down.

The good news is that if you want to mod it for the track, it looks VERY amenable to that. Easy weight cutting all over, the S58 will probably tune to north of 500 HP.

Please don't let what it ISN'T blind you to what it IS, or what it CAN BE.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Squidget

It's heavy, but "heavy pig" implies a level of extravagence/incompetence that I think is unfair. BMW is a luxury brand, you aren't gonna get a "rollcage and nothing else" car from them. They won't remove the sound deadening or the tech.

Weight is only a problem if it's a problem. I'm not seeing evidence of that yet. The MPG is tolerable, it seems to corner great, it seems to be fast.

Sure, if you track it, that weight is gonna eat up tires and brakes. But let's be real here. This is a vanilla M, not a CSL, and the entry model to boot. It's not REALLY intended to be heavily tracked as-is. We all know this, deep down.

The good news is that if you want to mod it for the track, it looks VERY amenable to that. Easy weight cutting all over, the S58 will probably tune to north of 500 HP.

Please don't let what it ISN'T blind you to what it IS, or what it CAN BE.

Nice post. One of the more sensible & insightful responses ive seen on here.
One thing is for sure…going by the number of posts on here already-the M2 is THE Mcar most owners/potential owners feel passionate about & its arrival has been much anticipated indeed.
Cant wait till the aftermarket ramps up & the mods begin & the cars full potential is unleashed. That & the CS/CSL/whatever “special editions” when they arrive.

[M_Tune]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I was more or less with you until this point. But this assertion is confusing to me. It does 0-60 in 4 seconds, how can that be considered under torqued? 406 lb/ft is a lot, and it's the same as the base M4...

In fact, super peak-torquey engines cause problems with MTs, adding more torque may have disbarred the MT entirely.

Or do you mean not so much "peak torque", but rather low RPM boost? Is your beef with the turbos?

Glad that you were with me for part of the journey

Ideally I prefer a flat torque curve that starts around 1800rpm and holds all the way above 5000 rpm. Now I understand this isn’t BMW’s style of tuning, but I am taking it that if the torque curve is raised then the lower end torque will also get a lift. A heavier new M2 with the same peak torque but less lower end grunt than previous gen M2 just doesn’t seem like a sensible tuning choice.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by dukat1

you wouldn't be caught owning anything other then a M2 CS.You drive you're mother inlaws car, K? something about peoples small P.... I dont know what you're going on about.I own a OG and have a G87 on order doesn't mean i dont see the flaws for each model. Go take nap and cool down

Is there an echo in here? are you actually asking questions?
She has an M2C and she lives 5 minutes away.... why wouldn't I drive it? Its a fun car and frankly I find it weird that you find that weird? Do your in-laws not like u? Wait a second... does your husband give his mother more attention than he gives u?
I honestly don't care about what we are talking about enough to go searching for it in the previous pages. But, I will happily take a nap.

lets get back to the new car they just launched _

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by zero21

So then you decided to get an M2?

I seem to remember you doing a lot of talking, but not a lot of pulling the trigger. Get on it.

Oh, im a talker. It pays the bills.
Seriously! I need to get on it! My allocation is VERY likely coming in at the end of the month. Got to decide if I want it or not... then have to decide if I am willing to wait for the carbon package. Decisions!
Buddy of mine picked up a used GT4 a while back. We are looking at purchasing a hangar (a small one) at the local airport. kicking around the idea of starting a small car owners club. 3 of us would each kick in 135-165k and split a GT4, emira... (fill in the blank) on 3rd. They dont want the M2 and that is throwing a small wrench in to my plans

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by zero21

Just learned something new not even BMWBLOG mentioned. Courtesy of The Fast Lane Car video - the whole front of the car including the hood is not magnetic and the whole rear of the car including doors is.

I find this very interesting since some of us have been looking at carbon hoods. BMW obviously went to lengths to balance weight better front to rear so there's not a lot of opportunity with front body panels being either plastic or aluminum and the rear steel pieces.

Likely the hood is aluminum and rest steel. At least on my F82 the doors are aluminum and trunk CFRP. Cost is a factor obviously, but the LW hood is a plus. CF roof option is a no brainer.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by M_Tune

Glad that you were with me for part of the journey

Ideally I prefer a flat torque curve that starts around 1800rpm and holds all the way above 5000 rpm. Now I understand this isn’t BMW’s style of tuning, but I am taking it that if the torque curve is raised then the lower end torque will also get a lift. A heavier new M2 with the same peak torque but less lower end grunt than previous gen M2 just doesn’t seem like a sensible tuning choice.

That's a really tall order and can't be done without other tradeoffs, including losing the entire top end.

But really, it comes down car nerds call "power under curve." Peak HP or peak torque is misleading. To show why, let's examine your next sentence:

"A heavier new M2 with the same peak torque but less lower end grunt than previous gen M2 just doesn’t seem like a sensible tuning choice."

And yet, a new M2 with more weight and the same torque accelerates just as fast, if not faster, than the old M2. How can that be? Because performance doesn't come from peak torque, it comes from total power under the curve.

[Edit: I had a bunch of stuff about HP math and physics and boost, but nah, I'm not really an expert here. So I'd rather not put my foot in my mouth.]

...ANYWAY, I'd say don't get overly fixated on peak torque, it can be misleading. Observed performance is what matters, and the S58 is a known BEAST. Like, I'm really surprised they gave us the S58 rather than another generation of S55. So nice!

So, the hardware is good. If BMW has in fact detuned the software parameters a bit too much, that's actually great! That's like, one of the easiest things to fix.

[dukat1]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

Is there an echo in here? are you actually asking questions?
She has an M2C and she lives 5 minutes away.... why wouldn't I drive it? Its a fun car and frankly I find it weird that you find that weird? Do your in-laws not like u? Wait a second... does your husband give his mother more attention than he gives u?
I honestly don't care about what we are talking about enough to go searching for it in the previous pages. But, I will happily take a nap.

lets get back to the new car they just launched _

gay jokes...really.Honestly I have no idea what you've been going on about, rambling nonsense mate go take a nap

[BDO]

Lol. Throttle house dweebs trying to sound like “purists”.

[AUSf22]

This thread has a lot of 1v1 arguments/battles between different members, it's like I've entered a debating room

[NathObeaN]

Overall it seems the car is reviewed as ‘good, but not great’. It seems to be a refinement on the F87 (in terms of engine, comfort and handling compliance) and in terms of cars in it’s class, it’s one of the best. But, it has fallen back in other areas compared to F87 (looks (subjective), weight, ZF, steering feel etc).

Judging by BMW’s latest releases, this is actually quite good. But, it could easily be better, and it’s a shame it’s not. I’ll eagerly await the CS variant but as things stand I can see my next car being Porsche or Lotus (sorry team!)

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

Overall it seems the car is reviewed as ‘good, but not great’. It seems to be a refinement on the F87 (in terms of engine, comfort and handling compliance) and in terms of cars in it’s class, it’s one of the best. But, it has fallen back in other areas compared to F87 (looks (subjective), weight, ZF, steering feel etc).

Judging by BMW’s latest releases, this is actually quite good. But, it could easily be better, and it’s a shame it’s not. I’ll eagerly await the CS variant but as things stand I can see my next car being Porsche or Lotus (sorry team!)

Bye

[Alpine*]

Waiting for a CS, if that happens, may not address weight concerns. The F87 M2 CS is 3,417 lbs, almost exactly the same as the M2C. Yes I know there were upgrades in the CS but still, just sayin.

[NathObeaN]

Originally Posted by Alpine*

Waiting for a CS, if that happens, may not address weight concerns. The F87 M2 CS is 3,417 lbs, almost exactly the same as the M2C. Yes I know there were upgrades in the CS but still, just sayin.

I know man, but I gotta have some hope right . The M2/M3/M4 have all been criticised for weight and steering feel. I’m just holding out hope that at some point, they’ll listen to the criticism and act on it. Just imagine if they added a hydraulic steering rack to the CS, ran a limited run of the DCT (Supra GRMN Will apparently have it)/improve the manual, and it dropped 100kg .

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I am guessing we will not see a video from him until BMW UK provides him with a press vehicle.

You are more than likely aware, but Chris owns a F87 CS wrapped in BRG, British Racing Green.

I doubt harris will like it very much considering he prefers the 1m to the f87 for its raw/edginess. Also, i believe he sold his cs a while back.