[DailyDownshift]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I only spot four G87 production photos. We need more!

Edit, Naturally two of those four are ZB. Also note how washed out TR is. That is what it looks like in direct sunlight.

Wrong, if you know anything about how cameras work you can tell that the TR pic is completely overexposed. It doesn't look nearly that washed in person on a sunny day.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Wrong, if you know anything about how cameras work you can tell that the TR pic is completely overexposed. It doesn't look nearly that washed in person on a sunny day.

Whatever strokes your ego. I see TR extremely often in my line of profession. It does wash out in direct sunlight, nevertheless it is what I have placed in the order bank.

[mlurker]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

To each his own. I feel the same way re the G05 that you own, yet the LCI is coming very soon.

[ronin13013]

M lurker with no Ms makes sense.

[Sethhboii]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

M lurker with no Ms makes sense.

Lmaooo

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by zero21

I don't think it looks this bad IRL at all. You have to look at the surrounding, the whole floor is bright white and lighting reflections are all white.

IRL, you won't have that. TR is a solid choice on this car.

It's so weird that there's a small handful of people here that dislike TR almost to the point it's personal as they just have to inject into every thread how bad it looks in some lighting. I owned a TR X3MC and got plenty of comments and there was not a day where I regretted it or didn't like it as it's a fantastic red. I can understand why some may not like it because it shifts a bit to orange in some lighting but I just don't understand how some go on about the color like a TR BMW ran over their dog or something.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

It's so weird that there's a small handful of people here that dislike TR almost to the point it's personal as they just have to inject into every thread how bad it looks in some lighting. I owned a TR X3MC and got plenty of comments and there was not a day where I regretted it or didn't like it as it's a fantastic red. I can understand why some may not like it because it shifts a bit to orange in some lighting but I just don't understand how some go on about the color like a TR BMW ran over their dog or something.

I was at a gas station once in my blue x3m401 and a tr xm3 pulled up to the pump next to and dang..... I don't like red vehicles the slightest but that suv made me feel like I could skip a rs6 and be ok with an SUV. I've seen the x3m in aw and maybe another color but the tr red was the only one that made my m40i look lesser than.

I wouldn't do it for myself, but it's a really cool. After the m2 I might get rid of the m40i and get the x3m, hopefully in individually color.

[blueray_ms]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

It's so weird that there's a small handful of people here that dislike TR almost to the point it's personal as they just have to inject into every thread how bad it looks in some lighting. I owned a TR X3MC and got plenty of comments and there was not a day where I regretted it or didn't like it as it's a fantastic red. I can understand why some may not like it because it shifts a bit to orange in some lighting but I just don't understand how some go on about the color like a TR BMW ran over their dog or something.

Cars for everyone on this forum are an emotive topic, if they weren't we would not be spending the money we spend on our transport. So I am not surprised by any of the reactions. I do chuckle at some of them and have to stop myself being sucked in at times

In truth, everyone's opinion is right.....for them! and we should try and respect that.

I am also on the fence about TR having recently seen it on an M4 despite initially ordering the M2 in that colour. It may look great on the M2 and the recent transporter photo suggests that however I have delayed my order until I can see the colours in the flesh and choose accordingly.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Then there is this TR G80 under showroom lighting.

Question....

If they called it TO -- Toronto ORANGE -- would all the same people be whining and crying 😢 that "under certain lighting it looks TOO RED!!!!! *#@!&"

Just asking..... for a friend.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Then there is this TR G80 under showroom lighting.

And that looks fantastic!!

[Kwills3]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Ha! Further proof that most BMW client advisors talk out their @$$.

Biggest lesson I’ve learned is bmw CA’s done know a damn thing about their cars.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Kwills3

Biggest lesson I’ve learned is bmw CA’s done know a damn thing about their cars.

I cannot not disagree. It is certainly not like it used to be. The dynamics behind it are fairly self-explanatory as not many individuals are cut out for luxury automotive sales nor have the ability to be successful at it. The lack of training via their employing BMW Center also plays a huge factor, but the client advisor door is a revolving one making many centers feel the need to not invest the time nor money into their sales staff.

[donm527]

Well, they would be right to complain. Because if it was called Toronto Orange, personally I don't looks anywhere close to Orange and looks too red.

The truth is, the color is a Red Orange or Orange Red and should be called something closer to that.

What I would be complaining is why call it Toronto?? Is it more Orangey in Toronto?? They should have called it Florida Red or California Red because they are known for their Oranges??

https://picsart.com/blog/post/red-orange-color

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Question....

If they called it TO -- Toronto ORANGE -- would all the same people be whining and crying �� that "under certain lighting it looks TOO RED!!!!! *#@!&"

Just asking..... for a friend.

[donm527]

There's nothing wrong with TR. Some people like that lighter red and that shift in different lighting. People are just saying it's not a deep pure red. It is a light red.

Light to dark... Toronto Red, Melbourne Red, Imola Red... lot of people seem to love Imola Red. I find Imola a little too dark for my taste. I prefer Melbourne Red of the three.

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

It's so weird that there's a small handful of people here that dislike TR almost to the point it's personal as they just have to inject into every thread how bad it looks in some lighting. I owned a TR X3MC and got plenty of comments and there was not a day where I regretted it or didn't like it as it's a fantastic red. I can understand why some may not like it because it shifts a bit to orange in some lighting but I just don't understand how some go on about the color like a TR BMW ran over their dog or something.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by donm527

Well, they would be right to complain. Because if it was called Toronto Orange, personally I don't looks anywhere close to Orange and looks too red.

The truth is, the color is a Red Orange or Orange Red and should be called something closer to that.

What I would be complaining is why call it Toronto?? Is it more Orangey in Toronto?? They should have called it Florida Red or California Red because they are known for their Oranges??

https://picsart.com/blog/post/red-orange-color

They should have called it Henna II. Like Daytona Yellow, and Daytona Yellow II.

[Kwills3]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I cannot not disagree. It is certainly not like it used to be. The dynamics behind it are fairly self-explanatory as not many individuals are cut out for luxury automotive sales nor have the ability to be successful at it. The lack of training via their employing BMW Center also plays a huge factor, but the client advisor door is a revolving one making many centers feel the need to not invest the time nor money into their sales staff.

I understand where you’re coming from- just hard to believe the amount of answers they don’t have while having access to all of the info and being employed at a luxury dealership.

Only reason I committed to my car is due to my spot in the allocation line vs the other dealers in the area. Guess it makes sense why folks are waiting a year rather than a shorter allocation at a nearby dealer lol.

I’m just glad my knowledge and assertion got me a better interest rate and answered my questions.

Much of it is due to these threads.

[10"]

not going to lie I think it’s sad to see an M car being made outside of Germany.

I do realize other SUV M cars have been made outside Germany (in SC) but I don’t really count those glorified utility boxes!

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by 10"

not going to lie I think it’s sad to see an M car being made outside of Germany.

I do realize other SUV M cars have been made outside Germany (in SC) but I don’t really count those glorified utility boxes!

You are forgetting that the first M cars produced outside of Germany were the E36/7 M Roadster and the E36/8 M Coupe. The E85 M Roadster and E86 M Coupe followed. All four were manufactured for the world at BMW Plant Spartanburg.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

You are forgetting that the first M cars produced outside of Germany were the E36/7 M Roadster and the E36/8 M Coupe. The E85 M Roadster and E86 M Coupe followed. All four were manufactured for the world at BMW Plant Spartanburg.

But with German VIN numbers.The G87 has a Mexican VIN.Probably because not enough of the parts are made in Germany.

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by SW19

But with German VIN numbers.The G87 has a Mexican VIN.Probably because not enough of the parts are made in Germany.

You’re point ?
It’s still a Grrman plant end of the day, located on Mexico’s soil.

Sleep easy my friemd

[SW19]

Originally Posted by BimmerFix

You’re point ?
It’s still a Grrman plant end of the day, located on Mexico’s soil.

Sleep easy my friemd

Wasn’t making any point.I could car less.I was just posting info.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by SW19

But with German VIN numbers.The G87 has a Mexican VIN.Probably because not enough of the parts are made in Germany.

My 2007 E85 Z4M had a US VIN number (began with a '5')