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I agree this is another something we’ll have to develop muscle memory for. I guess it’ll just take getting used to it and then it’ll become second nature like the manual handbrake was. |
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I know there was a school of thought regarding the Handbrake on older cars and it being good for the rear brake or something but personally I have never used it. My parents who I learned to drive a Manual from never used it. I always just leave the car in gear and haven’t lost one yet. Granted I don’t live in San Francisco. Why do you guys use the Parking Brake, is it just a personal preference/habit/paranoia of the car rolling away?
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I’ve lived in the prairies and it was all flat like New York, so I had a habit of just engaging first (especially because the handbrake shoes could freeze in the winter and then you’re stuck). So, to me, engaging the brake nowadays is about developing that muscle memory so I’m not leaving it in gear accidentally on an incline, and having the car roll. I’m glad I was never an automatic driver, because automatics have the park position which works well regardless of parking brake. |
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Interesting topic. Had a G80 who had his battery die and he wasn't in gear. The parking brake turned off and the car rolled back, minimal damage thankfully.
I'm always parking in gear now... and this is a good example of if it ain't broke, don't fix. It was second nature pulling my handbrake on my F87. |
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A gear just makes it “heavier” for the car to move (the opposite torque you get when you accelerate, is used to slow the car down). So 6th gear won’t hold the car at all (try it). You can still move it, there will be some resistance but not a lot. Automatics have a “hook” that clips the shaft from moving (it’s a pin that goes in the cog, locking the car in place). That back and forth motion you experience when you put an auto in P is the slack the cog has (the pin rocks back and forth in between the two teeth). The only way to move an auto in P is if that pin/hook gets sheared off, or the cog teeth. A manual doesn’t have that. Cars roll. |
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But my theory is the car did not have the parking brake on. If the battery died, the car had no power to roll back the parking brake. |
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Speak of, I’m kinda glad the car doesn’t do it for you. Why? Because the car will fail it eventually. I have the feature of locking when walking away on, I mentioned here before. Twice I came back to an unlocked car at strip malls, because it didn’t work and the car didn’t lock itself. So I coded the chirp back on (I hate noise, so I had turned it off trusting the locking mechanism sound and flashers) to ensure I hear it, and I always look back to confirm. Having to do that with the parking brake would be a PITA. At least there was a coding option to lower the chirp volume |
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I guess it’s because you don’t park in steep steep places. Cars can roll in 1st (or on older parking brakes as well). I think the electric parking brake does a better job, but I didn’t try it. If it’s too steep, I’ll turn the wheel to point out so if the car rolls the tire will hit the curb and stop it (and not damage the wheel), 1st gear and parking brake. Not an issue with an automatic, is what I’m saying. |
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My house upstate has a pretty good incline where I park and neither the E46 or any car has ever budged from just being secured in 1st/Reverse. I’ll continue to be lazy/indifferent to the Parking brake, hopefully one day I don’t regret not following your extra rollaway vigilance, if I do I’ll just blame on it a Deer. |
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First is the correct gear for
Parking as it has the most engine compression to hold. Parking brake should generally be used and aleays on an incline. A manual relies on the clutch disk/flywheel resistance and engine compression to not roll. An auto has a parking pawl that engages. The only time I don’t use the parking brake is when very flat directly after washing, snow, etc to prevent pad stick. Otherwise always whether auto or manual. In autos you take pressure off the parking pawl and save wear and tear on that mechanism of the transmission if you use your parking brake correctly (engage brake before engaging park). So many folks today, not this crowd, don’t learn correctly because their driving trachers may not have ever driven a manual.
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Years ago I relied upon the P parking pawl in my Dodge D200 pickup to keep the vehicle from rolling. It worked just fine until one day at a 7-Eleven I walked out of the store with my hands full with a donut and coffee and observed my truck slowly rolling backwards. I managed to get to the truck open the door and apply the brake just before the truck rolled out into the street without dropping my donut or coffee but my heart rate was stratospheric. Even after the above incident believe it or not I didn't learn. But I learned it after the truck did the same thing another time only this time rolling back and bumping a car parked behind my truck. Fortunately the damage was slight -- and to be honest the car my truck hit had so much body damage -- albeit of the minor kind -- it was hard to find what bit of damage my truck added to the car. The car owner refused my offer to pay to fix what bit of damage my truck caused. But lesson learned this time. Thereafter I used the parking brake in case the transmission parking pawl didn't hold. And I use the parking brake even with cars fitted with a manual transmission. Yeah, the pick up truck transmission was an automatic and my M2 is a manual. But even though I put the transmission in 2nd gear I still apply the parking brake. Bad enough to have a no account pick up truck roll away but an M2? No thank you. And 2nd gear not 1st? Yeah. While 1st gear offers more resistance to the vehicle rolling my habit is to use 2nd gear. This is because my driving started before there was a clutch interlock safety switch and one could start the engine with the manual transmission in gear. So I very quickly got in the habit of using 2nd gear in the hope if someone attempted to start the engine while in gear and without pushing in the clutch first the engine would not start. Or would start but die/stall being in 2nd gear. |
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Not sure when the "press clutch to start engine" became a thing. I really can't recall this being present or not in my cars before my 2002 Porsche Boxster I bought in 2002. But it was present in that car and has been present in every manual equipped car since. |
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Likely back in the late 80's as a result of the Audi unintended acceleration lawsuits. |
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