[Carefree]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

My concern is due to my tune (increased power —> increased heat —> cooling more of an issue).

I’ve followed your upgrades and would love a ride in that car.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by forcefed

That's why mishimoto offers a bigger oil cooler if needed, you should monitor your oil temps if you have any concerns. I doubt any of these skid plates will impede cooling, the s58 has gone around the ring without overheating, so unless you're running 30 minute sessions and notice oil temps reaching 140-150c then you need a bigger oil cooler.
A tune is not going to increase your temps unless you're going flat out for a long time, a few pulls on the street isn't enough.

I have the larger oil cooler, heat exchanger and trans cooler. Yes, the tune (stage 2 at 700+ whp) will definitely increase temps.

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

I have the larger oil cooler. Yes, the tune (stage 2 at 700+ whp) will definitely increase temps.

How high were your temps before and after the bigger oil cooler?

[IM2C]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

As already pointed out above, buy a protective screen.

https://www.zunsport.com/us/product/...roduct_id=7331

Out of stock

[two_three_two]

i have already heard a few "pings" off my mishi plate. for my peace of mind i needed something rigid protecting the oil cooler. worth the $ to me. roads suck around me and i am on dirt roads a few times a year...

i had the ECS skid shields on my last daily and they paid for themselves a few times over. some nice gouges in there after 2 years of use. the zunsport screens just look too flimsy for me

[dagoban]

I wouldn't be surprised if they sold you the car with that fault, you have to be very unlucky for that to happen on the first day with only 650 miles on the odometer.

Something similar happened to me but with the exhaust system. During the 1200 mile (2000 km) inspection, when doing the oil change, it was discovered that the car had a crushed exhaust system. Obviously it hasn't happened to me, that must have happened during the transportation phase to the dealership. At the moment I am waiting for a new exhaust to arrive from Germany.

[Baller]

Originally Posted by dagoban

I wouldn't be surprised if they sold you the car with that fault, you have to be very unlucky for that to happen on the first day with only 650 miles on the odometer.

Something similar happened to me but with the exhaust system. During the 1200 mile (2000 km) inspection, when doing the oil change, it was discovered that the car had a crushed exhaust system. Obviously it hasn't happened to me, that must have happened during the transportation phase to the dealership. At the moment I am waiting for a new exhaust to arrive from Germany.

Do you have any pictures? How badly crushed are we talking about? you didn’t notice?

[Tag]

xps,
Any updates on this; have you reached out to BMW NA?

This is a design flaw that they've run with for years on multiple M cars. We've seen this movie before on older M cars. Can't imagine how distraught anyone would be if this happened to their brand new car. To put the onus on someone that simply took delivery of their car isn't right. For that reason, curious to learn what BMW NA does or doesn't do.

[Ointment0440]

Originally Posted by forcefed

The turner is too open around the oil cooler imo, good protection against flat curbs but not rocks. Just haven't seen any reports of people needing protection on the sides from road debris.

Yeah, it looks too open, I don't know that it would have protected the OP in his case if it was truly a small rock that flew in there. Would need to add another mesh or something to it. Mishimoto looks better in that aspect, but still a bit open.

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by Ointment0440

Yeah, it looks too open, I don't know that it would have protected the OP in his case if it was truly a small rock that flew in there. Would need to add another mesh or something to it. Mishimoto looks better in that aspect, but still a bit open.

That's what I'll be doing, I'll order the mishimoto skid plate and put that mesh from from amazon around the openings.

[Carefree]

As I posted similarly in another thread, for me the Turner skid plate is basically a form of insurance. Is it 100% foolproof? Of course not but it does offer added protection to a fairly well know M owners problem. Having invested about $75K, give or take, in my car an additional 1% for a little peace of mind is a pittance IMO.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Tag

xps,
Any updates on this; have you reached out to BMW NA?

This is a design flaw that they've run with for years on multiple M cars. We've seen this movie before on older M cars. Can't imagine how distraught anyone would be if this happened to their brand new car. To put the onus on someone that simply took delivery of their car isn't right. For that reason, curious to learn what BMW NA does or doesn't do.

This is not meant to reduce the empathy for the OP or anyone else who may face these issues (whether oil cooler or radiator damage) however its not like BMW didn't do any R&D on this car, the G Series M cars or any other cars you want to throw into the mix.

Plenty of research was done in multiple locations and under multiple conditions. Unfortunately, shit happens. Its not like 90% of these cars are coming in with damage. These are truly isolated incidents (considering the number of cars in circulation around the world). I am not blaming any driver but its not always an unavoidable situation. Some people pay no attention and some dont care (I see people launch over speed bumps at 30-40mph as they have no care in the world), they just drive along like driver and the car are invincible (or they want/hope to be). Its Murphys Law at play here, it is what it is.

Those screens are not going to prevent damage causing rocks/debris from doing their damage. Will they stop certain smaller debris, yes, but that smaller debris is not really the killer here. How often do you encounter bouncing rocks? Why you ask, cause unless its a damn huge rocks, how is it going to hit the cooler (how many inches from ground to cooler face? That is a more than decent size rock that everyone should avoid, no matter what car they drive.) If you have lowered your car so much that small rocks will not pass through, well that is on the car owner, not BMW. The CFS heat exchanger I have comes with a "rock guard" which will do nothing to stop a debris/prevent damage from anything other than small innocuous items.

To literally stop/prevent the damage, you would need a very sturdy steel plate...and that would not be a feasible option as it would defeat the purpose of the cooler.

My B9 S5 had a plastic honeycomb in front of the intercooler...sure not going to stop any debris of damaging size. Case in point, my tuner has a B9 S5 and he had debris fly through that honeycomb on I95...result, smashed honeycomb and hole in the intercooler.

Sorry for the rant, and sorry if I offended anyone. My take, gotta pay if you want to play. Just my two pennies...

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Carefree

As I posted similarly in another thread, for me the Turner skid plate is basically a form of insurance. Is it 100% foolproof? Of course not but it does offer added protection to a fairly well know M owners problem. Having invested about $75K, give or take, in my car an additional 1% for a little peace of mind is a pittance IMO.

That protects the edges but still.leaves a fair amount of the cooler exposed.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

This is not meant to reduce the empathy for the OP or anyone else who may face these issues (whether oil cooler or radiator damage) however its not like BMW didn't do any R&D on this car, the G Series M cars or any other cars you want to throw into the mix.

Plenty of research was done in multiple locations and under multiple conditions. Unfortunately, shit happens. Its not like 90% of these cars are coming in with damage. These are truly isolated incidents (considering the number of cars in circulation around the world). I am not blaming any driver but its not always an unavoidable situation. Some people pay no attention and some dont care (I see people launch over speed bumps at 30-40mph as they have no care in the world), they just drive along like driver and the car are invincible (or they want/hope to be). Its Murphys Law at play here, it is what it is.

Those screens are not going to prevent damage causing rocks/debris from doing their damage. Will they stop certain smaller debris, yes, but that smaller debris is not really the killer here. How often do you encounter bouncing rocks? Why you ask, cause unless its a damn huge rocks, how is it going to hit the cooler (how many inches from ground to cooler face? That is a more than decent size rock that everyone should avoid, no matter what car they drive.) If you have lowered your car so much that small rocks will not pass through, well that is on the car owner, not BMW. The CFS heat exchanger I have comes with a "rock guard" which will do nothing to stop a debris/prevent damage from anything other than small innocuous items.

To literally stop/prevent the damage, you would need a very sturdy steel plate...and that would not be a feasible option as it would defeat the purpose of the cooler.

My B9 S5 had a plastic honeycomb in front of the intercooler...sure not going to stop any debris of damaging size. Case in point, my tuner has a B9 S5 and he had debris fly through that honeycomb on I95...result, smashed honeycomb and hole in the intercooler.

Sorry for the rant, and sorry if I offended anyone. My take, gotta pay if you want to play. Just my two pennies...

Show me non-M car that has had this happen to them. You won't find any because they don't have this design flaw. Just like not having protection on the front radiator (for AT) and front heat exchangers on the G87. These can be addressed by BMW engineers without using massive plates as you suggest. The bean counters however have looked at the likelihood that something will happen and have accepted the risk (on your behalf) to cut cost. I think any reasonable person understands this is rare but who wants to take that chance when you could lose your engine and all the headache and depreciation that comes along with that?

Anyone who buys an M car already pays to play by spending much more on an M vs the standard model. To expect buyers to first beware of the issue and then have to address it isn't paying to play, it's ridiculous.

P.S. I wasn't offended by your comments. Anyone should be able to discuss an issue and offer other perspectives. It's how we all learn from each other.

[GG87M2]

I would flat out demand a new car. Be nice about it but this isnt bad luck its a bad design. Interestingly I ordered my guard yesterday after reading about someone elses experience piercing their radiator.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Tag

Show me non-M car that has had this happen to them. You won't find any because they don't have this design flaw. Just like not having protection on the front radiator (for AT) and front heat exchangers on the G87. These can be addressed by BMW engineers without using massive plates as you suggest. The bean counters however have looked at the likelihood that something will happen and have accepted the risk (on your behalf) to cut cost. I think any reasonable person understands this is rare but who wants to take that chance when you could lose your engine and all the headache and depreciation that comes along with that?

Anyone who buys an M car already pays to play by spending much more on an M vs the standard model. To expect buyers to first beware of the issue and then have to address it isn't paying to play, it's ridiculous.

P.S. I wasn't offended by your comments. Anyone should be able to discuss an issue and offer other perspectives. It's how we all learn from each other.

No, no direct knowledge on oil cooler damage (based on the G's under car location but the B9 S5 intercooler damage is directly in line with the G87 radiator concerns (and as I said, the Audi has a honeycomb grill, albeit plastic material, see below for stock photo for reference). This lack of protection is on all of the RS models and I believe a number of the S models. Unfortunately, cars are not designed to protect from large rocks or debris (except maybe the electric cars/SUVs without grills...then again they dont have ICEs which is another story/debate I am not getting into with thebtree huggers).

[rk95]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

This is not meant to reduce the empathy for the OP or anyone else who may face these issues (whether oil cooler or radiator damage) however its not like BMW didn't do any R&D on this car, the G Series M cars or any other cars you want to throw into the mix.

Plenty of research was done in multiple locations and under multiple conditions. Unfortunately, shit happens. Its not like 90% of these cars are coming in with damage. These are truly isolated incidents (considering the number of cars in circulation around the world). I am not blaming any driver but its not always an unavoidable situation. Some people pay no attention and some dont care (I see people launch over speed bumps at 30-40mph as they have no care in the world), they just drive along like driver and the car are invincible (or they want/hope to be). Its Murphys Law at play here, it is what it is.

Those screens are not going to prevent damage causing rocks/debris from doing their damage. Will they stop certain smaller debris, yes, but that smaller debris is not really the killer here. How often do you encounter bouncing rocks? Why you ask, cause unless its a damn huge rocks, how is it going to hit the cooler (how many inches from ground to cooler face? That is a more than decent size rock that everyone should avoid, no matter what car they drive.) If you have lowered your car so much that small rocks will not pass through, well that is on the car owner, not BMW. The CFS heat exchanger I have comes with a "rock guard" which will do nothing to stop a debris/prevent damage from anything other [...]

This. Couldn’t agree more

[xps]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

This is not meant to reduce the empathy for the OP or anyone else who may face these issues (whether oil cooler or radiator damage) however its not like BMW didn't do any R&D on this car, the G Series M cars or any other cars you want to throw into the mix.

Plenty of research was done in multiple locations and under multiple conditions. Unfortunately, shit happens. Its not like 90% of these cars are coming in with damage. These are truly isolated incidents (considering the number of cars in circulation around the world). I am not blaming any driver but its not always an unavoidable situation. Some people pay no attention and some dont care (I see people launch over speed bumps at 30-40mph as they have no care in the world), they just drive along like driver and the car are invincible (or they want/hope to be). Its Murphys Law at play here, it is what it is.

Those screens are not going to prevent damage causing rocks/debris from doing their damage. Will they stop certain smaller debris, yes, but that smaller debris is not really the killer here. How often do you encounter bouncing rocks? Why you ask, cause unless its a damn huge rocks, how is it going to hit the cooler (how many inches from ground to cooler face? That is a more than decent size rock that everyone should avoid, no matter what car they drive.) If you have lowered your car so much that small rocks will not pass through, well that is on the car owner, not BMW. The CFS heat exchanger I have comes with a "rock guard" which will do nothing to stop a debris/prevent damage from anything other than small innocuous items.

To literally stop/prevent the damage, you would need a very sturdy steel plate...and that would not be a feasible option as it would defeat the purpose of the cooler.

My B9 S5 had a plastic honeycomb in front of the intercooler...sure not going to stop any debris of damaging size. Case in point, my tuner has a B9 S5 and he had debris fly through that honeycomb on I95...result, smashed honeycomb and hole in the intercooler.

Sorry for the rant, and sorry if I offended anyone. My take, gotta pay if you want to play. Just my two pennies...

I have few points, I want to see if you agree-
1.) Will you not install a gaurd after knowing this can happen to these cars?

If your answer is No, then I commend your bravery that you are willing to go through this ordeal rather than protecting it from future possibility of the damage with $500 part.

If your answer is Yes. Then you agree BMW has a design gap and they left such a crucial component blatantly exposed and it requires an aftermarket part to correct their design

2.) If this is bad luck and happens primarily because of debri on road, does it also affect other makes similarly? The answer can be yes if the object was a large enough, but in my case this one is literally smaller than 1/8", this just tells me it is just a matter of time thes unprotected cars are hit by this issue leading to similar damage.

Also if this is such a rare phenomenon , I expect BMW to step up and own the short coming in their design and make this right.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by GG87M2

I would flat out demand a new car. Be nice about it but this isnt bad luck its a bad design. Interestingly I ordered my guard yesterday after reading about someone elses experience piercing their radiator.

XPS: Any update with BMW and your insurance company? You should demand a new car based on everything you have gone through.

[xps]

Originally Posted by fangelov

The pattern is there, but his looks to have a big crack in it.

No it doesn't. Like I mentioned above the underbody literally doesn't have a scratch, the car has a lot of salt dried up from the road and the reflection on the photo makes it look like it is damaged, but it is not. The only damage is in the oil cooler

[xps]

Originally Posted by RPM33

XPS: Any update with BMW and your insurance company? You should demand a new car based on everything you have gone through.

The dealer is supposed to call me to give an update and next steps. Just waiting on them to call. I already know what they are going to say but I need the statement before I escalate it to BMW NA before I go the insurance route.

[alex2364]

This oil cooler design started with F8x and S55 engines since 2015. S58 and B58 with the "Cooling and High Performance Tire Package" all have the same flaw. Quite a few people with F8x have had the same issue if you do a search. Doubtful BMW is going to do anything when they've known about this almost 9 years.