[Dgjo2022X5MC]

Samsung/Harman screen collab in a x3 at CES. Note the very cool strip of information across the bottom of the windshield. SmartThings integration.

That uninteresting (IMO) screen slapped onto the dash today is hopefully not long for this world.

And how about a Honda that looks like a Lambo!

Acura Touring!

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by ledphut

Interesting that they chose to use Tim Meadows as their actor. I see him all the time getting coffee at Heritage Coffee on Lincoln Ave in Chicago and he drives a Tesla…

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Well, I can see you are biased and not objective.

They suck "in your opinion".

I think there is space for both.
I like my M50 as a daily driver but it's not suitable for the track. I'm buying an M2 for that.

Most of the “hate” you see is not that folks don’t believe they should exist. It’s a reaction to the government interfering in a way that is shoving them down people’s throats. The free market is not driving this. This isn’t a natural progression of market forces. Obviously the government has been in the business of regulating cars for a long time, and mostly for the overall good, expanding things the market had already begun demanding. But now they are in the business of forcing stupid stuff on everyone that has no connection to market forces and is based on dubious reasoning at best.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by trife.

Not a huge EV fan, but I’ve come around since having a Taycan in the garage. I trust BMW to do the electrified M3/M4 right. As long as it doesn’t look too EV-ish.

I too was not a fan until we picked up the wife's i4 M50 a couple months ago. It definitely fits right in to our style of driving although I still much prefer my M2 as it's so much more engaging.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by JMD

I bet if we searched this Forum,...we could find posts similarly stated about the G80/G82 M3/M4 when it was announced! "Nobody will buy the new M3/M4 because of the LARGE GRILL! Yet, BMW has sold every last one of them...

Oh wait,...No one will buy the new M5! Ah, ok,...yeah, Right!!

I will go on record and say this,...the full BEV M3/M4 will sell like there's no tomorrow! It won't be many ICE heads buying it,...it will be those already in a BEV,...or PHEV owners. But make no mistake, the full BEV M3/M4 will leave a helluva ELECTRIFIED CRAP-EATING GRIN the face of those that test drive it!

For instance,...the 50e PHEV has first gen X5M giddy-up 'n go! And I highly suspect it's faster than all X5s up to 50i G05! Now just think what it could do with 375/383Hp X5 M40i ICE.

The BEV M3/M4 is not going to disappoint,...in fact, I'm betting every single ICE that goes up against it Will Have to Catch It,...if it can!

Only in a straight line, which all EVs do really well at a much lower price point. Look at Audi etron RS’s. Beautiful cars with 900 something HP and worth 50% of MSRP after a couple of years. The used ICE market will be really interesting once manufacturers go full BEV, if that every really happens

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by javijimez

Exactly, people have an issue accepting new things, there is going to be an electric M4, an electric M3 and we will also have a hybrid M3, we can choose whatever we want base in our taste

Many people always find something to bitch about instead of looking for the good in things.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Absolutely true. If you have tried a new X1 loan car, having no i-drive controller is so irritating. Noticeable from the first time you have to touch the screen to bypass the disclaimer notice.

I use the controller with iDrive 8 in my M2 at times, but I'm mostly using the touch screen and I'm definitely not a techy person. When it comes to 8.5 in my wife's i4 I don't think I've used the controller yet. Pretty much use the touch screen and steering wheel controls. I can see why people do want to hold onto the controller though.

[JABCAT]

I have zero interest in an electric performance car. I purchased a 330e back in 2022 to dip my toe in the electrified category. It was a nice car & I enjoyed it. I saved a bunch of money on fuel for the 17 months I owned it, but it suffered from the same thing every EV I've driven or ridden in, zero soul. Unless you just get excited about getting from stop light to stop light as quickly as possible, or just want to be a passenger in a vehicle, there is nothing exciting about driving an EV.

Chevy laid an egg with the Corvette ERay, which for a split second they touted as the quickest Corvette ever. Problem is they priced it starting at $105k & essentially nobody asked for an electrified, awd Corvette. I imagine the same to be true with M3/M4 buyers, about 0.01% want an electric version.

[trife.]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

I too was not a fan until we picked up the wife's i4 M50 a couple months ago. It definitely fits right in to our style of driving although I still much prefer my M2 as it's so much more engaging.

Same. I much prefer my M3. But I’m never mad about having to drive the wife’s Cross Turismo when needed. It’s seriously impressive with the handling and overall road feel. Looks pretty damn cool too.

[heymarkv]

I bet they’ll be hideous. 🤣

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

free market is not driving this

“free market”

🤣

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

“free market”

I’ve been reading your posts. One word comes to mind. Fool.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I have zero interest in an electric performance car. I purchased a 330e back in 2022 to dip my toe in the electrified category. It was a nice car & I enjoyed it. I saved a bunch of money on fuel for the 17 months I owned it, but it suffered from the same thing every EV I've driven or ridden in, zero soul. Unless you just get excited about getting from stop light to stop light as quickly as possible, or just want to be a passenger in a vehicle, there is nothing exciting about driving an EV.

Chevy laid an egg with the Corvette ERay, which for a split second they touted as the quickest Corvette ever. Problem is they priced it starting at $105k & essentially nobody asked for an electrified, awd Corvette. I imagine the same to be true with M3/M4 buyers, about 0.01% want an electric version.

A 330e isn't dipping your toe.

Wimpy 4 banger that barely deserves to be called a BMW. A 330 lacks soul in any form.

Pick a different comparison.

[My M3]

I am sure the Next generation M3 will be a bit quicker & everything else that comes with a new model than the current G80.
I will say this, I am glad I have a G80 M3

[ifound2pac]

Should make plain old gas M3 M4 printed l prices skyrocket

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

A 330e isn't dipping your toe.

Wimpy 4 banger that barely deserves to be called a BMW. A 330 lacks soul in any form.

Not even slightly true. I’m probably the biggest inline six snob on this forum, but the fact of the matter is the B48 is a very good motor that puts out the same horsepower and more torque than my fantastic, naturally aspirated 2006 N52 inline six 330i. And the other fact is BMW has been producing four banger 3ers since day one. Not to mention the first M3. You can be an inline six snob all you want, but that doesn’t negate the history of the BMW 3er. The BMW F30 (especially the LCI) 320i is one of the most fun BMWs I’ve ever driven and is absolutely a proper BMW!!!

[tnot]

Originally Posted by Mako

M3 over 4,000 lbs isn’t a M3

Should have named them something else.
MEV3 😂

MEH 3

[6SPDG82]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

There isn't any mainstream brand that cares more about old school enthusiast types. BMW is still selling:
RWD 6MT roadster; Z4
RWD 6MT small coupe M2,
RWD 6MT larger coupe M4,
RWD 6MT sedan M3

in 2025. Despite nobody is buying them, at all.

They will also release a new ICE performance car in 2026. (Which doesn't make any sense financially)

Isn’t the overall take rate on manuals G8X cars over 20%? That’s a significant number.

[usmabmass]

Originally Posted by MartinS

What happened to “BMW iM3 Will never happen!”? Isn’t a fully electric M3 the same as iM3? It’s SOOO gay! 🤮


https://www.motor1.com/news/698755/b...not-happening/

Did you read your own article?

"Actually, we would never use an i on an M, even though it would be electric.

That's not to say that a performance EV with a pure M badge won't happen, though. If we would ever do something like that, it will always be called an M without an i," suggests van Meel, "because that's just the technology, and M is not about technology. It’s about a promise, it’s about motorsports, it’s about emotion. It’s not about the drivetrain."

[MartinS]

Originally Posted by usmabmass

Did you read your own article?

"Actually, we would never use an i on an M, even though it would be electric.

That's not to say that a performance EV with a pure M badge won't happen, though. If we would ever do something like that, it will always be called an M without an i," suggests van Meel, "because that's just the technology, and M is not about technology. It’s about a promise, it’s about motorsports, it’s about emotion. It’s not about the drivetrain."

Yea yea… to me it’s the same. 👎🏼

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Most of the “hate” you see is not that folks don’t believe they should exist. It’s a reaction to the government interfering in a way that is shoving them down people’s throats. The free market is not driving this. This isn’t a natural progression of market forces. Obviously the government has been in the business of regulating cars for a long time, and mostly for the overall good, expanding things the market had already begun demanding. But now they are in the business of forcing stupid stuff on everyone that has no connection to market forces and is based on dubious reasoning at best.

I never understood this. The majority of new cars are still ICE, nobody is forcing you to get an EV. Not to even get into the fact that oil and gas gets subsidized orders of magnitude more than EVs, but that just gets accepted as part of life (which I'm fine with, keeps things cheaper for people).

There's still going to be an ICE M3. >80% of BMW sales in 2024 were ICE. I don't really get the panic, you'll still be able to have an enthusiast ICE car for most of our lifetimes. Things change over time, we stopped using carburetors, leaded gas, etc and the EV rollout has been much slower than all of those changes. There's clearly some demand for EVs and it's growing every year. Is some of that induced by a tax credit? Sure, but that basically only puts them on par with ICE equivalents some of the time, so people still have to consciously choose the EV.

I was never much of an EV lover, maybe even slightly disliked them and had a lot of FUD because I never tried them. But for a DD, I love mine now. If I had space/time for a weekend/track car? Sure I'd go ICE; but that's such a tiny fraction of the general public who use a car to get from point A to point B.

[g80_lucy_]

Like it or not, ICEs are going away. I’m not personally convinced that electric is the answer, especially since less homes are being built and the convenience factor is hard to rationalize to the majority of the population who are just trying to get by. That being said, I’m glad I know a young, mechanic who was a BMW Master Tech and will rebuild my manual G80 for decades as I put x00,000s of miles on. Can’t save the manuals, but sure as hell can preserve and reconstruct them! 🙂