[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by M3Sleeper

Yes you're missing lower taxes for small businesses and individuals which will indirectly lower costs.

Oil is opened up that will dramatically lower ALL costs of Goods maybe they won't go down right away but we won't see 30% increases in 2 years like we had with Biden.

Not to mention Tarrifs have several factors that influence buying for larger companies and small businesses. I think twice before ordering out of China vs USA for my businesses.

Trump will reduce regulations on small businesses, free up healthcare dollars, free up waste, cut money going offshore, help American companies.

This is the tip of the iceberg. Just watch for the truth don't watch TV

Made in the USA is gone. It's such Boomer thinking. It is a global economy now. YOU ARE NOT going to find people a large number of people in the US willing to do manufacturing jobs and companies aren't willing to pay what they'll demand. Pay rates at places like Chipotle are sky high. Can you imagine what people will want to make a widget?

It takes YEARS and massive amounts of capital to move manufacturing back to the US.

We have WAY more oil than we can use in the US. There are tons of new, mostly untapped reserves in the US. We just don't really want to touch them as we'd rather pillage other countries reserves until they're tapped out before we really tap into ours. Also we don't have enough refining capacity to refine what is being proposed. Nothing is going to change there. Big Oil has way too much power in Washington. They call the shots.

Nothing is really going to change other than just a revenge tour that's well under way.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Made in the USA is gone. It's such Boomer thinking. It is a global economy now. YOU ARE NOT going to find people a large number of people in the US willing to do manufacturing jobs and companies aren't willing to pay what they'll demand. Pay rates at places like Chipotle are sky high. Can you imagine what people will want to make a widget?

It takes YEARS and massive amounts of capital to move manufacturing back to the US.

We have WAY more oil than we can use in the US. There are tons of new, mostly untapped reserves in the US. We just don't really want to touch them as we'd rather pillage other countries reserves until they're tapped out before we really tap into ours. Also we don't have enough refining capacity to refine what is being proposed. Nothing is going to change there. Big Oil has way too much power in Washington. They call the shots.

Nothing is really going to change other than just a revenge tour that's well under way.

I mostly agree.

We already are a net exporter of 2 million barrels a day. The oil industry isn't going to do anything to bring down prices. Why would they? Put money into more drilling, exploration and production simply to produce a glut that cuts into their profits? In the 2010s, overproduction dropped the price from $100 to $26 in under two years, devastating profits. They learned their lesson.

Same with refining, they would be spending a huge amount to increase supply, only to see prices plummet. They need oil to remain above $65 a barrel. More is just icing on the cake.

I am not sure we a "pillaging other's reserves". We are actually sending ours elsewhere. Simply keeping that 730 million barrels a year here would increase our supply and lower prices. Not what they want at all.

As to a manufacturing renaissance, I tend to agree with you. I don't think we have the labor pool. The U.S. employs about 13 million in manufacturing at present and is projected to need 3.8 million more in the next 5 years. That is a lot. And that is before any further acts/efforts to increase onshoring are even considered. Almost a million illegals work in manufacturing, if there are removed from the workforce the numbers get worse.

To the OP : https://www.supplychaindive.com/news...t-2024/713326/

There is a massive skill gap projected in manufacturing, mostly high-skill jobs. Something to look into.

[OnTheBoat]

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[ASAP]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Made in the USA is gone. It's such Boomer thinking. It is a global economy now. YOU ARE NOT going to find people a large number of people in the US willing to do manufacturing jobs and companies aren't willing to pay what they'll demand. Pay rates at places like Chipotle are sky high. Can you imagine what people will want to make a widget?

It takes YEARS and massive amounts of capital to move manufacturing back to the US.

We have WAY more oil than we can use in the US. There are tons of new, mostly untapped reserves in the US. We just don't really want to touch them as we'd rather pillage other countries reserves until they're tapped out before we really tap into ours. Also we don't have enough refining capacity to refine what is being proposed. Nothing is going to change there. Big Oil has way too much power in Washington. They call the shots.

Nothing is really going to change other than just a revenge tour that's well under way.

i don't think manufacturing is entirely gone in the USA... a number of US car manufacturers namely BMW have plants in SC and are very successful... Boeing has plants all over the USA (they have problems but they aren't price related)... i just think it has to be complex / advanced manufacturing.... we aren't going to make anything sub $1k dollars under any circumstance, that's China all day... but there also already chip foundries already under construction in the USA... to me there is 0 reason we couldn't manufacture medicine here, nor even items like Iphones which are already massively expensive nor fridges nor john deere equipment... its just a chase for top margin dollar which could be offset partially with tax incentives... running an economy almost entirely on services has significant long term consequences that we will need to live with...

I don't entirely understand how a company like Apple can have the freedom to design and market in the USA but entirely manufacture in China and have its corporate / finance HQ in Cork, Ireland for pure tax evasion and storing 100s of billions of $ overseas... does that mean it's really an American company? Can we define that a little better? If we can't, perhaps they don't deserve the benefits of being an American company? then we outsource jobs in tech companies to H1b's and again, it's race to the bottom where we don't protect our workers... the way i see it... our economy is setup to exploit the market for sales w limited benefit back to its people outside of stock market gains...

[kudos]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i don't think manufacturing is entirely gone in the USA... a number of US car manufacturers namely BMW have plants in SC and are very successful... Boeing has plants all over the USA (they have problems but they aren't price related)... i just think it has to be complex / advanced manufacturing.... we aren't going to make anything sub $1k dollars under any circumstance, that's China all day... but there also already chip foundries already under construction in the USA... to me there is 0 reason we couldn't manufacture medicine here, nor even items like Iphones which are already massively expensive nor fridges nor john deere equipment... its just a chase for top margin dollar which could be offset partially with tax incentives... running an economy almost entirely on services has significant long term consequences that we will need to live with...

I don't entirely understand how a company like Apple can have the freedom to design and market in the USA but entirely manufacture in China and have its corporate / finance HQ in Cork, Ireland for pure tax evasion and storing 100s of billions of $ overseas... does that mean it's really an American company? Can we define that a little better? If we can't, perhaps they don't deserve the benefits of being an American company? then we outsource jobs in tech companies to H1b's and again, it's race to the bottom where we don't protect our workers... the way i see it... our economy is setup to exploit the market for sales w limited benefit back to its people outside of stock market gains...

The problem with Ireland being the American tech industry tax shelter is that it's in Trump's best interest not to fix it since he has a relationship with government with his golf course. It's a massive tax problem though that needs to be fixed if we want to argue about fixing the debt problem in this country.

[bagekko]

BMW is not a US car manufacturer. The American car companies are looking to offload an increasing amount of manufacturing outside the USA, especially Mexico, where as foreign car companies like BMW, Toyota, etc are the ones who are increasing manufacturing in the USA. Doesn't sound right huh?

You hear so much about wanting Made in the USA products and other nationalistic ideas. You know what the population of America can't handle it, and the system will never make it happen. The American economy is business (financial, tech, etc) and service based, focused on consumption and waste. I've been living in Switzerland for 6 months and almost everything is made in Switzerland, they have the nationalistic reality that the USA will never get back to.

It's made me realize that the USA is on the decline, I see it the second I land back in the US, everyone seems so unhealthy and miserable. Telling everyone they should go to college, they should all own their own home, with 2 cars, etc is a dream people should not be chasing anymore. People don't want to make sacrifices, and companies are too willing to take advantage of their employees.

Is the OP only looking for jobs in their current area? Is their town/city/state's job economy strong? If not perhaps consider moving?

Originally Posted by ASAP

i don't think manufacturing is entirely gone in the USA... a number of US car manufacturers namely BMW have plants in SC and are very successful... Boeing has plants all over the USA (they have problems but they aren't price related)... i just think it has to be complex / advanced manufacturing.... we aren't going to make anything sub $1k dollars under any circumstance, that's China all day... but there also already chip foundries already under construction in the USA... to me there is 0 reason we couldn't manufacture medicine here, nor even items like Iphones which are already massively expensive nor fridges nor john deere equipment... its just a chase for top margin dollar which could be offset partially with tax incentives... running an economy almost entirely on services has significant long term consequences that we will need to live with...

I don't entirely understand how a company like Apple can have the freedom to design and market in the USA but entirely manufacture in China and have its corporate / finance HQ in Cork, Ireland for pure tax evasion and storing 100s of billions of $ overseas... does that mean it's really an American company? Can we define that a little better? If we can't, perhaps they don't deserve the benefits of being an American company? then we outsource jobs in tech companies to H1b's and again, it's race to the bottom where we don't protect our workers... the way i see it... our economy is setup to exploit the market for sales w limited benefit back to its people outside of stock market gains...

[kudos]

Originally Posted by bagekko

BMW is not a US car manufacturer. The American car companies are looking to offload an increasing amount of manufacturing outside the USA, especially Mexico, where as foreign car companies like BMW, Toyota, etc are the ones who are increasing manufacturing in the USA. Doesn't sound right huh?

You hear so much about wanting Made in the USA products and other nationalistic ideas. You know what the population of America can't handle it, and the system will never make it happen. The American economy is business (financial, tech, etc) and service based, focused on consumption and waste. I've been living in Switzerland for 6 months and almost everything is made in Switzerland, they have the nationalistic reality that the USA will never get back to.

It's made me realize that the USA is on the decline, I see it the second I land back in the US, everyone seems so unhealthy and miserable. Telling everyone they should go to college, they should all own their own home, with 2 cars, etc is a dream people should not be chasing anymore. People don't want to make sacrifices, and companies are too willing to take advantage of their employees.

Is the OP only looking for jobs in their current area? Is their town/city/state's job economy strong? If not perhaps consider moving?

Your Switzerland anecdote misses when comparing to the USA. Switzerland is the most expensive country in the world. Its economy and population don't even come close to the intricacies of something like the USA. It's like comparing running a coffee shop to a oil company.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by bagekko

BMW is not a US car manufacturer. The American car companies are looking to offload an increasing amount of manufacturing outside the USA, especially Mexico, where as foreign car companies like BMW, Toyota, etc are the ones who are increasing manufacturing in the USA. Doesn't sound right huh?

You hear so much about wanting Made in the USA products and other nationalistic ideas. You know what the population of America can't handle it, and the system will never make it happen. The American economy is business (financial, tech, etc) and service based, focused on consumption and waste. I've been living in Switzerland for 6 months and almost everything is made in Switzerland, they have the nationalistic reality that the USA will never get back to.

It's made me realize that the USA is on the decline, I see it the second I land back in the US, everyone seems so unhealthy and miserable. Telling everyone they should go to college, they should all own their own home, with 2 cars, etc is a dream people should not be chasing anymore. People don't want to make sacrifices, and companies are too willing to take advantage of their employees.

Is the OP only looking for jobs in their current area? Is their town/city/state's job economy strong? If not perhaps consider moving?

I 100% agree...

Originally Posted by kudos

Your Switzerland anecdote misses when comparing to the USA. Switzerland is the most expensive country in the world. Its economy and population don't even come close to the intricacies of something like the USA. It's like comparing running a coffee shop to a oil company.

Yes and no... would infrastructure fall in that bucket?

The US is falling apart because we chose a me, me, me attitude across the board instead of doing ANYTHING for the greater good.... just look at any western european countries condition of gas stations, bridges, airports vs ours... and you will quickly have your answer.

As far as manufacturing... is there any reason we cannot make a quality product we can proud of such as Rolex watches?

The answer is no because as the above poster mentioned we chose consumptions and selling junk in mass qtys to feed the system...

our auto manufacturing - lol and not competitive in any way on a worldwide scale outside of our full size trucks and maybe arguably Tesla

plane manufacturing - well you know how thats gone in the past 10 years... airbus is easily winning the sales crown over the past few years

motorcycle - HDs aren't exactly the most reliably motorcycles on the market and offer little innovation

appliances / electronics- which ones outside of apple lol

tools - which ones are we leaders in?

heavy equipment - who outside of CAT?

weapons - well you got me there... given our budget, we are kings there

[DrVenture]

We shouldn't overlook that we have an incredibly strong economy and have had for a very long time. We may want to be careful not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Yes, it is based on a service economy and tech work, but it is also very diverse. The notion that we need to make everything here may very well be misguided in a "be careful what you wish for" kind of fashion.

Switzerland makes everything in country? Switzerland is very expensive? Maybe a lesson there? Maybe the folks who are hankering for a 1950's type of job, want to think that through? Making a manufacturing wage in an expensive economy may be the path to serfdom.

I have had conversations recently with a couple people who came here from other countries, spoke little English and have managed quite well. One fellow came here speaking no English and 10 years later, now owns a thriving Limo company. But now we are supposed to frame our entire economy around natural born citizens who have failed to thrive after decades and started out here? A race to the bottom!

Like others have alluded to, are Americans prepared to accept the pain that comes with vast change? The job losses that will come from reduced government spending? The price hikes that will accompany new taxes (tariffs are taxes)? Who thinks people are patient enough to see such a transition through?

Sadly, a fool with an education is still a fool. And, as stated, there are plenty of great opportunities for people who choose other paths. But, what about the people who shun the education, choose not to pursue the trades, think they are too good for a service job, and refuse to go where the jobs are? These are the folks we should form our economy around?

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by bagekko

BMW is not a US car manufacturer. The American car companies are looking to offload an increasing amount of manufacturing outside the USA, especially Mexico, where as foreign car companies like BMW, Toyota, etc are the ones who are increasing manufacturing in the USA. Doesn't sound right huh?

You hear so much about wanting Made in the USA products and other nationalistic ideas. You know what the population of America can't handle it, and the system will never make it happen. The American economy is business (financial, tech, etc) and service based, focused on consumption and waste. I've been living in Switzerland for 6 months and almost everything is made in Switzerland, they have the nationalistic reality that the USA will never get back to.

It's made me realize that the USA is on the decline, I see it the second I land back in the US, everyone seems so unhealthy and miserable. Telling everyone they should go to college, they should all own their own home, with 2 cars, etc is a dream people should not be chasing anymore. People don't want to make sacrifices, and companies are too willing to take advantage of their employees.

Is the OP only looking for jobs in their current area? Is their town/city/state's job economy strong? If not perhaps consider moving?

Some interesting points.

It is important to note that the OP currently has a job, but is looking for something more rewarding. And the OP is looking to change careers, so essentially starting over, while trying to leverage his limited time in the job market. A bit of a balancing act.

No argument that the whole McMansion, two luxury SUV thing, may be a rat race. Still, it is also what fuels the US economy - consumption.

If any car company were to wholly source, manufacture and produce an automobile in the US, the sticker shock would be fatal to buyers. BMW might not be able to sell any cars here under those conditions. Not sure Ford or GM or Honda would sell many. Accords would MSRP like a 5-series. Are ready to go back to a time when our houses were 1200 sq ft with vinyl tile, a 1 car garage on a 1/5 acre with no A/C? Might take some getting used to.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

Are ready to go back to a time when our houses were 1200 sq ft with vinyl tile, a 1 car garage on a 1/5 acre with no A/C?

Go back?!?!?

There's a reason why my mortgage was paid off in less than 20 years, and that is because we bought a modest-sized house and (gasp!) park outdoors. Well, except the (former) race car, because it sits in a nice, dry enclosed hauler because of mean doctors.

If you lay that linoleum right the first time, you can walk all over it for 50+ years.....

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Go back?!?!?

There's a reason why my mortgage was paid off in less than 20 years, and that is because we bought a modest-sized house and (gasp!) park outdoors. Well, except the (former) race car, because it sits in a nice, dry enclosed hauler because of mean doctors.

If you lay that linoleum right the first time, you can walk all over it for 50+ years.....

Alright, you may be an exception, lol.

I recall the house that I grew up in very well. It was built in 1960. Picture Wonder Years and you have the neighborhood nailed. We had a family of 9 and it was one of the nicest houses in the community. Two small bedrooms and 2 bigger bedrooms. Two small bathrooms. The windows were single pane aluminum framed garbage. If you forgot to close one and it got cold, it froze that way. We had no carpet, all tile (probably asbestos), no dishwasher, or room for one. No sump pump or drainage system, so the basement took on water during heavy rain. I would use a garden hose to siphon out the window wells before they filled up and the pressure burst the glass. Barely any insulation. Definitely no A/C. Tree roots tended to grow into the clay drainage pipes. We had one of the big lots - a 1/4 acre!

I don't think younger people fully comprehend why things were so cheap back then. A waffle iron was a major appliance and weighed 20 lbs.

Like all he houses in that area, it has since been gutted and modernized.

[zvez]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

We shouldn't overlook that we have an incredibly strong economy and have had for a very long time. We may want to be careful not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Yes, it is based on a service economy and tech work, but it is also very diverse. The notion that we need to make everything here may very well be misguided in a "be careful what you wish for" kind of fashion.

Switzerland makes everything in country? Switzerland is very expensive? Maybe a lesson there? Maybe the folks who are hankering for a 1950's type of job, want to think that through? Making a manufacturing wage in an expensive economy may be the path to serfdom.

I have had conversations recently with a couple people who came here from other countries, spoke little English and have managed quite well. One fellow came here speaking no English and 10 years later, now owns a thriving Limo company. But now we are supposed to frame our entire economy around natural born citizens who have failed to thrive after decades and started out here? A race to the bottom!

Like others have alluded to, are Americans prepared to accept the pain that comes with vast change? The job losses that will come from reduced government spending? The price hikes that will accompany new taxes (tariffs are taxes)? Who thinks people are patient enough to see such a transition through?

Sadly, a fool with an education is still a fool. And, as stated, there are plenty of great opportunities for people who choose other paths. But, what about the people who shun the education, choose not to pursue the trades, think they are too good for a service job, and refuse to go where the jobs are? These are the folks we should form our economy around?

wait til we see what adverse effect on prices with all the mass deportations. Literally, the people who harvest our crops and do jobs americans won't do are being rounded up. Inflation is going to come roaring back.

[Gemini562]

Originally Posted by zvez

wait til we see what adverse effect on prices with all the mass deportations. Literally, the people who harvest our crops and do jobs americans won't do are being rounded up. Inflation is going to come roaring back.

Fantastic. More jobs for everyone!! I’m really looking forward to paying $20 for a taco and watching my yard turn into the Amazon rainforest.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by zvez

wait til we see what adverse effect on prices with all the mass deportations. Literally, the people who harvest our crops and do jobs americans won't do are being rounded up. Inflation is going to come roaring back.

Definitely a possibility. IMHO, they will not need to deport many. Once the word gets out, people will stop showing up for work at factories, service jobs, agriculture, landscaping...

Than we get to see how serious people really are about nationalism. How much patience they have for another bout with inflation. How places heavy in agriculture may wish to proceed. A glimpse of how it may all play out is happening in Florida now. No politics here, so Google is your friend!

[Gemini562]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

Definitely a possibility. IMHO, they will not need to deport many. Once the word gets out, people will stop showing up for work at factories, service jobs, agriculture, landscaping...

Than we get to see how serious people really are about nationalism. How much patience they have for another bout with inflation. How places heavy in agriculture may wish to proceed. A glimpse of how it may all play out is happening in Florida now. No politics here, so Google is your friend!

Mass deportation could be a surprising shift in the job market. Those who have been complaining about 'immigrants stealing jobs' might finally realize that there are actually more opportunities available than they assumed. In a way, this could be beneficial for the rest of us.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by zvez

wait til we see what adverse effect on prices with all the mass deportations. Literally, the people who harvest our crops and do jobs americans won't do are being rounded up. Inflation is going to come roaring back.

The outcry about farm jobs from illegal immigrants is overblown. The US has and will continue to have temporary visas for farm workers (Mexicans) through H2-A. There is zero reason why those couldn't be increased as necessary.

[Alfisti]

Sounds like OP already makes a decent dollar, so either has to kick qualifications up a notch and get properly certified in something guaranteed to bring in cash (lawyer etc) but that will take damn near 10 years and knowing your education system there will cost half a million dollars.

IMHO easiest route is bring revenue to the table, i'd look long and hard at medical sales.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

We shouldn't overlook that we have an incredibly strong economy and have had for a very long time. We may want to be careful not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Yes, it is based on a service economy and tech work, but it is also very diverse. The notion that we need to make everything here may very well be misguided in a "be careful what you wish for" kind of fashion.

Switzerland makes everything in country? Switzerland is very expensive? Maybe a lesson there? Maybe the folks who are hankering for a 1950's type of job, want to think that through? Making a manufacturing wage in an expensive economy may be the path to serfdom.

I have had conversations recently with a couple people who came here from other countries, spoke little English and have managed quite well. One fellow came here speaking no English and 10 years later, now owns a thriving Limo company. But now we are supposed to frame our entire economy around natural born citizens who have failed to thrive after decades and started out here? A race to the bottom!

Like others have alluded to, are Americans prepared to accept the pain that comes with vast change? The job losses that will come from reduced government spending? The price hikes that will accompany new taxes (tariffs are taxes)? Who thinks people are patient enough to see such a transition through?

Sadly, a fool with an education is still a fool. And, as stated, there are plenty of great opportunities for people who choose other paths. But, what about the people who shun the education, choose not to pursue the trades, think they are too good for a service job, and refuse to go where the jobs are? These are the folks we should form our economy around?

Switzerland is very expensive but not because it manufactures everything... but rather, they chose to purposely not be a part of the EU, keep their own currency (franc) and are pretty much a social welfare state... they have extremely high taxes to fund all of those programs but they also have some of the highest wages in the EU.

Also - you are making very strong statements thinking everyone should have a trade job or be in tech... in fact that's kind of wild... its almost like the premise that former admins made that all folks walking in gas industries would transition to green jobs... except none of that happened and those folks become jobless overnight.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

Definitely a possibility. IMHO, they will not need to deport many. Once the word gets out, people will stop showing up for work at factories, service jobs, agriculture, landscaping...

Than we get to see how serious people really are about nationalism. How much patience they have for another bout with inflation. How places heavy in agriculture may wish to proceed. A glimpse of how it may all play out is happening in Florida now. No politics here, so Google is your friend!

do you know what's even wilder... that we have to import people at near slave labor wages to do those jobs... outsouring jobs no one wants to do is kind of sad...

[unluky]

26? LOL. You got a lot of dues to pay before management should be the minimum. And as someone who hires people? A huge gap in your resume is always a red flag without a reasonable excuse. Especially at that age, so be mindful of that.

I was lucky and found my calling early and started in my industry right before I turned 21 and STILL ate shit for many years being moved and promoted to slightly increasing jobs. I was probably your age before I got a lucky break and a 2nd shift supervisor went out on maternity leave and no one wanted the shift - so I stuck my shit eating hand in the air and got a chance to prove myself. That 6 months turned into 10, but my numbers spoke for themselves and I was moved into a dayshift supers spot when she returned and then into the managers spot above both of those within the year.

I was almost 36 when I got my first VP title with a nice office with windows and l felt lucky to have it even then.

But I grew up on a farm, so even eating shit at a job where I was in climate control and had donuts on the counter was nothing compared to my childhood of 18 hour days on tractors in the sun and bucking bails and sacks of seed around.

Decide WHAT you want to do - take whatever job you can in that industry and always insure you are "the man" at it. First in, last to leave and stick your hand up at the hardest projects and you will get your shot. Management looks at people there for the company - not for themselves most times.

Don't give up. Roll up your sleeves and get after it - your work will be rewarded. Don't listen to the "hard work is for brown noses - the company does not care" crowd - there is a reason they have been in that spot for 32 years.

[DrVenture]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Switzerland is very expensive but not because it manufactures everything... but rather, they chose to purposely not be a part of the EU, keep their own currency (franc) and are pretty much a social welfare state... they have extremely high taxes to fund all of those programs but they also have some of the highest wages in the EU.

Also - you are making very strong statements thinking everyone should have a trade job or be in tech... in fact that's kind of wild... its almost like the premise that former admins made that all folks walking in gas industries would transition to green jobs... except none of that happened and those folks become jobless overnight.

Not really saying that. The key phrase in that (my) sentence is "but it is also very diverse".

I could go on, but out of respect for forum rules and members, I will stick to economic content and avoid any overlap into politics.