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      01-21-2025, 04:17 AM   #10077
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Oki doki back to business. ''The vast majority of EV's are sold on business leases to fleets and corporations making it appear that the EV market is taking off, nothing could be further from the truth'.
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      01-21-2025, 08:06 AM   #10078
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EV startup Canoo files for bankruptcy and ceases operations
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Seven-year-old electric vehicle startup Canoo has filed for bankruptcy and will “cease operations immediately.” The company is liquidating its assets in a Chapter 7 proceeding in the Delaware Bankruptcy Court.

The company said in a press release published late Friday that it was “in discussions with foreign sources of capital” that proved unsuccessful, and also singled out an inability to secure funding from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Loan Program Office, which has been on a lending spree in the waning days of the Biden administration.

Canoo said in its bankruptcy filing (and the filings for its subsidiaries) that it owes money to hundreds of creditors, and that it has more than $164 million in total liabilities. It claimed around $126 million in assets.

The bankruptcy filing comes just a few weeks after Canoo furloughed the remainder of its workers and idled its factory in Oklahoma. The company struggled throughout 2024 to get more than a few of its electric vans into the hands of prospective customers, and suffered numerous executive departures. It had just $700,000 in the bank in mid-November.
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https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/17/ev...es-operations/
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      01-21-2025, 08:19 AM   #10079
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EV startup Canoo files for bankruptcy and ceases operations
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Seven-year-old electric vehicle startup Canoo has filed for bankruptcy and will “cease operations immediately.” The company is liquidating its assets in a Chapter 7 proceeding in the Delaware Bankruptcy Court.

The company said in a press release published late Friday that it was “in discussions with foreign sources of capital” that proved unsuccessful, and also singled out an inability to secure funding from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Loan Program Office, which has been on a lending spree in the waning days of the Biden administration.

Canoo said in its bankruptcy filing (and the filings for its subsidiaries) that it owes money to hundreds of creditors, and that it has more than $164 million in total liabilities. It claimed around $126 million in assets.

The bankruptcy filing comes just a few weeks after Canoo furloughed the remainder of its workers and idled its factory in Oklahoma. The company struggled throughout 2024 to get more than a few of its electric vans into the hands of prospective customers, and suffered numerous executive departures. It had just $700,000 in the bank in mid-November.
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https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/17/ev...es-operations/
Never heard of them...
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      01-21-2025, 08:28 AM   #10080
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EV startup Canoo files for bankruptcy and ceases operations
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Seven-year-old electric vehicle startup Canoo has filed for bankruptcy and will “cease operations immediately.” The company is liquidating its assets in a Chapter 7 proceeding in the Delaware Bankruptcy Court.

The company said in a press release published late Friday that it was “in discussions with foreign sources of capital” that proved unsuccessful, and also singled out an inability to secure funding from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Loan Program Office, which has been on a lending spree in the waning days of the Biden administration.

Canoo said in its bankruptcy filing (and the filings for its subsidiaries) that it owes money to hundreds of creditors, and that it has more than $164 million in total liabilities. It claimed around $126 million in assets.

The bankruptcy filing comes just a few weeks after Canoo furloughed the remainder of its workers and idled its factory in Oklahoma. The company struggled throughout 2024 to get more than a few of its electric vans into the hands of prospective customers, and suffered numerous executive departures. It had just $700,000 in the bank in mid-November.
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https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/17/ev...es-operations/
Canoo. Their R&D team was based in Detroit region.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ca...client=gws-wiz
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      01-21-2025, 08:44 AM   #10081
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Never heard of them...
Nor I, but who cares - another one bites the dust as Queen would say.
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      01-21-2025, 09:23 AM   #10082
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Nor I, but who cares - another one bites the dust as Queen would say.
I'd put the song on now for that but Freddie would be turning in his grave in Golders Green knowing it was used in conjunction with EV's
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      01-21-2025, 12:12 PM   #10083
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Nor I, but who cares - another one bites the dust as Queen would say.
So, I googled it after your post. I remember the van now, it has no front or rear when viewed from the side. I never really paid attention to it since it was originally a fleet-only endeavor for the first years. I forgot about it.

An electric Honda Element...
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      01-21-2025, 12:23 PM   #10084
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So, I googled it after your post. I remember the van now, it has no front or rear when viewed from the side. I never really paid attention to it since it was originally a fleet-only endeavor for the first years. I forgot about it.

An electric Honda Element...
It wasn’t a bad fleet purposed vehicle. They just never got it going.
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      01-21-2025, 03:46 PM   #10085
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Oki doki back to business. ''The vast majority of EV's are sold on business leases to fleets and corporations making it appear that the EV market is taking off, nothing could be further from the truth'.
With the modern ICE, cars can easy last for 10 years or 300,0000km when you keep up with the basic maintenance. For EV.... I let the people find out from the hard way
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      01-21-2025, 03:49 PM   #10086
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Never heard of them...
EV companies startup fast and then went belly up even faster.....
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      01-21-2025, 04:29 PM   #10087
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EV companies startup fast and then went belly up even faster.....
"Aquila’s own financial firm appeared to benefit from his post atop the company. In 2023, Canoo spent double its meager revenue to Aquila’s firm to pay for the use of its corporate jet. Canoo also rented office space from Aquila’s firm, according to regulatory filings."

What does a startup need with a corporate jet?
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      01-22-2025, 05:57 AM   #10088
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With the modern ICE, cars can easy last for 10 years or 300,0000km when you keep up with the basic maintenance. For EV.... I let the people find out from the hard way
That's if they don't catch fire first parked outside in a rainstorm
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      01-23-2025, 03:33 AM   #10089
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"Aquila’s own financial firm appeared to benefit from his post atop the company. In 2023, Canoo spent double its meager revenue to Aquila’s firm to pay for the use of its corporate jet. Canoo also rented office space from Aquila’s firm, according to regulatory filings."

What does a startup need with a corporate jet?
They were doomed from the start with that kind of thinking.
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A sensible EV actually worth considering.

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The correct answer is "there isn't one"

I opened up the thread and was still proven correct. Renualt has to be the one of the worst brands in the world. We only got to see how terrible of a parent company they were through proxy of Nissan - and we were not impressed.
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Agree there is no such thing as a sensible EV.
UK Fire chiefs have issued a stark warning that thermal runaway can lead to the creation of toxic vapours and gases such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen fluoride and hydrogen chloride.
EV fires present new challenges for fire and rescue services both here and across the pond as suppressing EV fires takes large amounts of water with the danger of the fire re-igniting later and fire water that is contaminated from battery fires is dangerous to the environment so cancelling that EV order is the right thing to do.
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      01-27-2025, 07:38 AM   #10093
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I think some EV designs are starting to look rational.
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A non-sensible EV is more fun.

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Not as much fun as a non-sensible ICE driver's car.
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Have you guys gotta ruin every thread that even mentions an EV? Let it go already.
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Have you guys gotta ruin every thread that even mentions an EV? Let it go already.
To be fair, I can't imagine buying any Renault, even if they were available in the US.

What's the benefit of this over the 500e you can lease for free?
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It's way better than the 500e and is not market relevant for the US, it's a european and possibly australian market vehicle.
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