[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

the B58 and S58 are involved in the brake system? I thought those were engines

Go away troll this is a positive thoughts thread

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

the B58 and S58 are involved in the brake system? I thought those were engines

Yeah duh.

What're you new?

[02M3ForMe]

As impressive as the G42 M240i is (it runs with the F87 Comp and blows away the OG), the G87 with G80/82 chassis, suspension, and powertrain is going to be on another level. It's unlikely that anyone will confuse the G87 for being an incrementally faster G42 M240i.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

Go away troll this is a positive thoughts thread

I'm trying to see if somebody can describe how/why the brake system on the G87 will be a night and day difference with the G42 ZTK system, since it was stated that there is a night and day difference.

All I'm getting is "Duh, of course it is"

If you can't back up the claim with data then that's fine, just say that

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

I'm trying to see if somebody can describe how/why the brake system on the G87 will be a night and day difference with the G42 ZTK system, since it was stated that there is a night and day difference.

All I'm getting is "Duh, of course it is"

If you can't back up the claim with data then that's fine, just say that

Brakes feeling good has a lot to do with suspension.

That in itself should answer your question.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Brakes feeling good has a lot to do with suspension.

That in itself should answer your question.

It really doesn't. How do the physical brake components of the two cars differ? That's all I'm asking. Rotors, pads, calipers, fluid, lines, etc etc etc

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

It really doesn't. How do the physical brake components of the two cars differ? That's all I'm asking. Rotors, pads, calipers, fluid, lines, etc etc etc

Well.

Go and examine the part numbers if you're that curious.

I'd be willing to bet the m240 doesn't get the brakes that go on the g8x.

And I can tell you this about my M4, when you stomp the brakes it feels like your eyeballs are prepared to evacuate your skull.

Edit:
If they are in fact the same brakes that's a pretty cool option 😎

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Allenssmart

Go away troll this is a positive thoughts thread

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Yeah duh.

What're you new?

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

It really doesn't. How do the physical brake components of the two cars differ? That's all I'm asking

The rotors on the G87 might be the exact same diameter, but not sure on the thickness. The brake calipers look to be identical as well. M cars however have drilled rotors and the fins on them are angled to vent hot air as opposed to brakes on non-M cars which are not. Probably the easiest way to figure this out is lookup the parts info for an M240i and a G80/2 and compare.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

It really doesn't. How do the physical brake components of the two cars differ? That's all I'm asking. Rotors, pads, calipers, fluid, lines, etc etc etc

If it gets the G80/82 setup, the G87 will have:

-6-piston calipers in front (vs. the 4-piston calipers on the G42)
-larger rotors, 380mm in front, 370mm in the rear (vs. 348mm front, 345mm rear on the G42)

[JustChris]

Positive thoughts.

Hmm if the U.K. car has manual option or it's available in Individual… I'll be back in at some point.

[Ctothej]

Positive thoughts.
If they fixed the rear between the last leak and the reveal car, putting all R&D aside - they have months to do this until production commences.

[kyrix1st]

No need to keep positive, just judge the car for what it is. Blind positivity is what killed lightweight, handbrake, and M-DCT.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Ctothej

Positive thoughts.
If they fixed the rear between the last leak and the reveal car, putting all R&D aside - they have months to do this until production commences.

I'm afraid it's far too late for that. What you see is what you're getting. Only possible change would be in the LCI, but that's not a sure thing either.

Positive thought, M2c is only 1yr 4mo after G87 launch. 2 Series LCI is only 2yrs after G87 launch.

[Ctothej]

M2C is actually 2 years post. I believe. Positive note, EV soon. Or am I playing this game wrong?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Ctothej

M2C is actually 2 years post. I believe. Positive note, EV soon. Or am I playing this game wrong?

Tentative to go into production in August 2024.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Roosterdentures

* 70 more HP
* Manual Transmission
* Wider
* Better brakes
* Adaptive Suspension - EDIT (M240 gets this too)

Easy choice even if you prefer the m240i's looks. Though personally I really dig the design. I don't get the dislike for the rear end at all.

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

*+$20,000
*M240i's come standard with Adaptive Suspension (in the US)
* How different are the brakes vs the M240i ZTK pkg?

It is much more than what you have listed. An M-car is everything you don't really see. All the suspension upgrades, new front/rear control arms, new rear trailing arms, new toe links, new front/rear sway bars, different dampers and springs, M specific adaptive damper tuning. M chassis bracing, strutbracing, direct mounted rear subframes. All new M specific bushings throughout chassis. Wider front and rear track. M specific diff with new differential tuning, different steering rack. S58 with much more robust cooling and additional transmission cooling. M specific tuning for ZF8. Upgraded brakes with more additional brake cooling. The list goes on.

Will not be $20k. M240i and M2 msrp will be around $15k apart.

Even less really, if you are adding $2400 Cooling and Perf Pack to M240i.

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by Tag

Tentative to go into production in August 2024.

Brilliant!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Ctothej

Positive thoughts.
If they fixed the rear between the last leak and the reveal car, putting all R&D aside - they have months to do this until production commences.

[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by M3WC

It is much more than what you have listed. An M-car is everything you don't really see. All the suspension upgrades, new front/rear control arms, new rear trailing arms, new toe links, new front/rear sway bars, different dampers and springs, M specific adaptive damper tuning. M chassis bracing, strutbracing, direct mounted rear subframes. All new M specific bushings throughout chassis. Wider front and rear track. M specific diff with new differential tuning, different steering rack. S58 with much more robust cooling and additional transmission cooling. M specific tuning for ZF8. Upgraded brakes with more additional brake cooling. The list goes on.

Will not be $20k. M240i and M2 msrp will be around $15k apart.

Even less really, if you are adding $2400 Cooling and Perf Pack to M240i.

Turns out it's a $14,100 MSRP increase over the M240i (RWD), my initial estimate was $1K off. That's a huge difference still though so it better have a lot of upgrades If you track it 10x a year they make sense, but for 95% of people it's just hype mods. A G42 with the $2,400 Cooling/ Braking / Tire package should suffice for me personally.

The M240i is already stupid fast with a 0-60 under 4 seconds with a decent launch. The extra 70hp can almost never be used on the street. Meanwhile you get 30%+ worse MPG in the S series engine. I guess you can add a carbon roof and uncomfortable, but flashy seats for an insane markup, but I'd much rather have a red leather interior with a sunroof.

[Caerus]

My guess a base price of $62k was pretty spot on. I agree the M240ix is a great car, that is why I got one. I just miss a manual gear shifter. If BMW offered a manual in the M240i, I would be totally happy with it. But now I have to go M2 for a manual gear box. Even so, I think +$14k is well worth it. My M240ix was $57k with some options. The new M2 is well optioned as standard and I only will add a few options to make it about $65-66k. So to me the M2 is a bargain for only $8k more. Then you get all the M3/4 bits (S58, suspension, brakes, wheels, manual 6spd, etc.)

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

Turns out it's a $14,100 MSRP increase over the M240i (RWD), my initial estimate was $1K off. That's a huge difference still though so it better have a lot of upgrades If you track it 10x a year they make sense, but for 95% of people it's just hype mods. A G42 with the $2,400 Cooling/ Braking / Tire package should suffice for me personally.

The M240i is already stupid fast with a 0-60 under 4 seconds with a decent launch. The extra 70hp can almost never be used on the street. Meanwhile you get 30%+ worse MPG in the S series engine. I guess you can add a carbon roof and uncomfortable, but flashy seats for an insane markup, but I'd much rather have a red leather interior with a sunroof.

So $12k premium when including $2400 for M240i cooling/Perf pack.

The last metric I’d look at would be 0-60. Meaningless to me really when comparing the two. The sum of parts is so much more.

I agree if you are looking primarily for a street car, with better mpg and lower price. Then by all means enjoy the M240i, a great little car.

[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by M3WC

So $12k premium when including $2400 for M240i cooling/Perf pack.

The last metric I’d look at would be 0-60. Meaningless to me really when comparing the two. The sum of parts is so much more.

I agree if you are looking primarily for a street car, with better mpg and lower price. Then by all means enjoy the M240i, a great little car.

Yup $12K, which is still a lot of coin.

Straight line acceleration is a great metric as it's one you can leverage very often. Living in a large very gridded city, there's almost ZERO twisties to push an M2. As noted, I would have to spend a lot to go to a track (Autobahn Joliet, Road America, Gingerman, etc. ) or find a local SCCA event.

I would love to see a survey of M2 owners on how much they actually track their cars vs. enjoy bragging to their friends that they have a 'true' M car. Honestly not trying to be a jerk, but curious. If you lived by the Tail of the Dragon or your uncle owned a race track it would make sense, but for most it does not.

The manual is a completely different aspect too. I've driven one exclusively for the last 17 years and have enjoyed it. Now transmissions like the ZF8 have well surpassed manuals in all but engagement. Once again, living in a city with gridlocked traffic (and now that I'm older), a ZF8 is completely acceptable. If I had the money for a weekend car as well though, it would be manual (but likely a Supra instead as it looks 10x sportier).