[OneTwo3]

Originally Posted by MisanoblueZ4

Owning a manual is becoming the car equivalent of tik tok influencers. What used to be entry level spec is now commanding big $$ as the enthusiasts are willing to pay. Porsche is going to milk this for all it’s worth and they sure are with the pricing. Hopefully BMW doesn’t follow the trend of pricy manual options.

This 911T is also being discussed in the Z4 section with equal disgust for the pricing lol. Seems a lot of people are talking about the car…..if no one cares about it there wouldn’t be the attention it’s received.

I’ll except a premium for a manual as long as they put some R&D into it and put out an improved manual. From everything I read and watch, Porsche has a better feeling manual transmission compared to bmw. (I haven’t driven either)

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by OneTwo3

What’s all this stuff I read about the BMW manual being awful compared to a Porsche?

Can someone explain?

its really people justifying spending junior supercar money on a sub 400 hp, no options, base model 911. nothing more.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by OneTwo3

What’s all this stuff I read about the BMW manual being awful compared to a Porsche?

Can someone explain?

The manual in BMWs is absolutely great. Don't let anyone tell you different. I've owned three manual M cars in a row and it feels like an improvement. Here's the trick, manual transmissions, like in any new car, need to be broken in. Clutches are springy, the lever feels a little numb. Give it a few hundred miles and I have absolutely zero complaints. Love driving the car hard like it was intended. It's a joy.

I think the misconception comes from reviewers getting new cars and going to town and of course, the parroting by other reviewers and for some reason, people on message boards.
The manual is excellent.

[beren]

I own 2 Porsches with manual transmissions. The experience is different for sure. A Porsche is setup differently in terms of the gearing being very long vs. the BMW M2 generally requiring more frequent shifts in the low gears. Philosophical difference IMHO. It does takes some getting used to the BMW after driving Porsches for 10+ years. I'm actually enjoying the BMW, although I do admit it is taking me a while to get the hang of it. The gearbox and shifting is nice, I struggle more with the clutch. There are a bunch of suggestions on these forums to consider if you want to improve that (clutch stops and what not). I decided to wait for a year before making any mods.

[OneTwo3]

Originally Posted by beren

I own 2 Porsches with manual transmissions. The experience is different for sure. A Porsche is setup differently in terms of the gearing being very long vs. the BMW M2 generally requiring more frequent shifts in the low gears. Philosophical difference IMHO. It does takes some getting used to the BMW after driving Porsches for 10+ years. I'm actually enjoying the BMW, although I do admit it is taking me a while to get the hang of it. The gearbox and shifting is nice, I struggle more with the clutch. There are a bunch of suggestions on these forums to consider if you want to improve that (clutch stops and what not). I decided to wait for a year before making any mods.

I thought people preferred shorter gearing since you have to engage with the car more often?

[BradMX5]

Originally Posted by OneTwo3

I thought people preferred shorter gearing since you have to engage with the car more often?

Some people like it some people feel like it’s too much of a chore especially in traffic.

My Miata’s 1st gear while putting around is basically used for a half second before going to second and then that doesn’t last long either.

I don’t have issues with this since I’ve been driving it so long that I go through the motions completely zoned out.

I can see some people getting annoyed with the break in / learning of a new cars manual.

There’s enough you can do on the M2 to change the shifting dynamic to your liking so between that, giving it time to learn it, and not just saying it’s bad because you saw someone on YouTube say it was bad you should be able to enjoy it just like many others.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by OneTwo3

What’s all this stuff I read about the BMW manual being awful compared to a Porsche?

Can someone explain?

Think Swiss precision vs a casio watch. I’m kidding, kind of…

[RMB]

My 2016 GT4 had a nice 6 speed manual. The only drawback is that the 3rd gear would blow and a bunch of the 2016's had to have the manual transmission replaced. Any given car at any given price point can have faults. I think Porsche makes excellent cars, but they are not perfect!!!

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by RMB

My 2016 GT4 had a nice 6 speed manual. The only drawback is that the 3rd gear would blow and a bunch of the 2016's had to have the manual transmission replaced. Any given car at any given price point can have faults. I think Porsche makes excellent cars, but they are not perfect!!!

far from a unique porsche experience. I am remiss to link to an "autojournalist", but C&D's long term 718 GTS went through a clutch and had an oil leak from the chain tensioner at 26k miles, and went through four quarts of unscheduled oil additions. $8500 in "damage and destruction" alone!

[garageoverflow]

Still an incredibly nice feel that is hard to put into words.

I'm far from an expert, but I feel like I've been very fortunate to drive some of the most well respected manual transmissions. There's definitely something to be said about a nice clutch/shifter feel.

T56
TR6060
V160
and the 6-speed manual in my wife's 981 Spyder (same as the 2016 GT4 noted above)

When I test drove a G80, the clutch was more frustrating than the shifter feel, but everyone is different. It was honestly fine to drive, but certainly didn't feel as nice.

It's the Internet, people will blow things out of proportion and also give excuses and push aside huge issues 🤷

[OldButSmooth]

Originally Posted by robopp

Think Swiss precision vs a casio watch. I’m kidding, kind of…

More like a Patek Phillipe 5711 V Rolex Datejust 41....prestigue but at different price points.