[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The weight can easily be dropped by BMW if they chose to, but we would not have an entry price of $62k either. We cannot have it all.

I'd pay more for a lighter m2, even more than I'd pay for the m3. I know that will be the CS, but then I will most likely have to give up the 6mt. I want it all and am willing to pay for it all.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

…Idrive 8 doesn’t look good but interior is a step up from F87.

iDrive 8.5 comes out this Summer, which will, hopefully, improve the menu structure.

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

just the noise and gauges. first time i've seen the gauges. i like the rpm and speedo. but that ipad rectangle looks cheap af

They really chose the best week ever to record these videos (az got the most snowfall it has gotten, with one of the biggest chunks coming just a few days before these videos were recorded). The snow on 4 peaks in the background is such a great contrast, way better than the dull desert background that would have been captured any other time. The driving aspect in this video is a lot more than I expected to be permitted before tomorrow.

Nice video though!

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by sl0m0

I'd pay more for a lighter m2, even more than I'd pay for the m3. I know that will be the CS, but then I will most likely have to give up the 6mt. I want it all and am willing to pay for it all.

Yes, via a CS/CSL. Guessing high $90s, lower $100k. One should not realistically expect a base model to offer everything, especially substantial weight savings.

[donm527]

Originally Posted by sl0m0

I'd pay more for a lighter m2, even more than I'd pay for the m3. I know that will be the CS, but then I will most likely have to give up the 6mt. I want it all and am willing to pay for it all.

Maybe that’s why they mentioned no plans for CS in that Arizona interview.

After watching that interview and see how they fumbled around questions like CS, no plans for X-Drive trying to emphasize that this will be a “fun” and drivers car that like manual and you see powertrain and drivetrain they are going to keep it an M4 lite to keep it an affordable entry M car.

XDrive would add… 150 lbs?? And the M2 still weighs close to M240i with XDrive even with the carbon bits they have on it. M4 Competition is already 3997lbs RWD ultimatespecs.com (Competition XDrive 4306 on BMW site). How can they cut more weight and keep cost low? Who would buy a M2 CS at 3900+lbs?

[1stM]

I don't think I will have issue with weight on this new M2. I'm only weight 135 lbs....

[donm527]

I personally don’t think the R35 is a legend. At least it goes 0-60 in 3 due to its AWD but it gets beaten around the track because of its weight. If it didn’t go 0 to 60 so fast I doubt it would command the attention and price it did.

Other cars lengendary for other reasons… Supra doesn’t matter if it’s heavy when you can mod a truck engine to 1000+ hp and made famous from the F&F fans.

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Those are good examples, but weight is not JUST a variable. It's one of the most important variables. The heavier a car, the worse it's going to perform, generally speaking. Obviously you can add more power to compensate, but at the end of the day that's just it.. compensation. If I wanted to buy a boat on wheels, I'd buy a hellcat. Obviously the G87 wont handle like that but it's still worrying seeing the weight increase so much from one gen to the next, especially after seeing such awesome lightweight cars like the 1M and OG M2. Let's not even get into brake and suspension wear with heavier cars, not a fun convo for the wallet lol

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Yes, via a CS/CSL. Guessing high $90s, lower $100k. One should not realistically expect a base model to offer everything, especially substantial weight savings.

I agree, but don't take away the manual on the models that have the other things we want.

[Humdizzle]

ive owned some of the cars being mentioned above (458, 991.2 gt3, r35)

the thing is lap times don't tell you what a car feels like. I had fbo r35 and a toyota 86 at the same time. the 86 just felt better to drive and you could chuck it into corners or do a quick left/right on a chicane way easier. there is just less mass to move. the r35 is no doubt faster especially on actual tracks that are wide and not tight and twisty like a back road.

anyway i dont mind weight. as long as you get something for it. the g87 m2 has less rear head room and leg room than the f80 m3 and new rs3. the rs3 is lighter and also gives you awd. f80 m3 is lighter than both

[DailyDownshift]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

ive owned some of the cars being mentioned above (458, 991.2 gt3, r35)

the thing is lap times don't tell you what a car feels like. I had fbo r35 and a toyota 86 at the same time. the 86 just felt better to drive and you could chuck it into corners or do a quick left/right on a chicane way easier. there is just less mass to move. the r35 is no doubt faster especially on actual tracks that are wide and not tight and twisty like a back road.

anyway i dont mind weight. as long as you get something for it. the g87 m2 has less rear head room and leg room than the f80 m3 and new rs3. the rs3 is lighter and also gives you awd. f80 m3 is lighter than both

Dude I had to double check that.. insane that it's an awd and weighs like 300lbs less than the G87. Hopefully it doesn't feel too porky but I guess we'll find out from reviewers tomorrow!

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by sl0m0

I'd pay more for a lighter m2, even more than I'd pay for the m3. I know that will be the CS, but then I will most likely have to give up the 6mt. I want it all and am willing to pay for it all.

Gimme the additional $10k. I will lighten her up for you...

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

I mean sure, weight isn't the only factor when it comes to performance.. I think anyone can recognize that as a fact. I'm just saying that I think it's one of the most important. Which mustang are you talking about in regards to Throttle house? I know he owns a nice, light OG M2 in stick.

Weight is a factor, but the larger brakes, higher power requiring a large mechanical and cooling systems, wider tyres and larger wheels will add weight. The G87 M2 is just a larger car than the F87 or certainly the 1M, more between an E46 M3 and E39 M5. It should outperform all of these cars at the track despite its weight.

It really is a case that the G87 M2 isn’t not going to get any smaller or lighter on the CLAR platform without significant increase in price to close to that of the M4 to replace steel panels with lighter weight materials. The M2 wouldn’t exist on a unique platform at an economic price for its low volume, the only alternative would be on the FWD biased UKL2 platform.

If you take a look at similar M-cars (with a Porsche 718 GT4 and Caterham R400 that I own for comparison), looking at the relative size based on comparable nominal volume the car occupies (length x width x height), you can divide that volume into weight to get the kg/m^3 where lower is better. The M2 is close to the GT4. Both M2 and Z4 on the CLAR platform are not as good as the G8x M3 and M4 due to the smaller size, comparable platform and mechanical systems weight.

Overall though no BMW M-car of this millennium is light weight for track use, they all are grouped together, the Caterham stats show how far away a light weight car can be.

Model - length x width (no mirrors) x height, (volume}, DIN weight, (kg / m^3):

E39 M5 - 4.783m x 1.801m x 1.412m, (12.163m^3), 1795kg, (148)
G29 Z4 M40i - 4.324m x 1.864m x 1.304m, (10.510m^3) 1535kg (146)
E46 M3 - 4.490m x 1.780m x 1.370m (10.949m^3) 1570kg (143)
G87 M2 - 4.580m x 1.887m x 1.403m (12.125m^3) 1725kg (142)
718 Cayman GT4 - 4.456m x 1.801m x 1.267m (10.168m^3) 1420kg (140)
G82 M4 - 4.794m x 1.887m x 1.393m (12.602m^3) 1700kg (135)
F87 M2 Comp - 4.468m x 1.854m x 1.410m (11.678m^3) 1550kg (133)
E82 1M - 4.380m x 1.803m x 1.429m (11.285m^3) 1495kg (132)
G80 M3 - 4.794m x 1.903m x 1.433m (13.073m^3) 1705kg (130)
Caterham R400 - 3.100m x 1.575m x 1.115m (5.444m^3) 545kg (100)

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Dude I had to double check that.. insane that it's an awd and weighs like 300lbs less than the G87. Hopefully it doesn't feel too porky but I guess we'll find out from reviewers tomorrow!

I was also surprised to see it was that light. Awd - 4 doors and weights as much as my OGm2. That is interesting.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

I was also surprised to see it was that light. Awd - 4 doors and weights as much as my OGm2. That is interesting.

The comparable BMW model would be an M235i Gran Coupe on the UKL2 FWD/AWD platform with a tune to the level of the AMG A45. It is a similar weight to the AMG and RS FWD biased AWD platforms.

[DailyDownshift]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Weight is a factor, but the larger brakes, higher power requiring a large mechanical and cooling systems, wider tyres and larger wheels will add weight. The G87 M2 is just a larger car than the F87 or certainly the 1M, more between an E46 M3 and E39 M5. It should outperform all of these cars at the track despite its weight.

It really is a case that the G87 M2 isn’t not going to get any smaller or lighter on the CLAR platform without significant increase in price to close to that of the M4 to replace steel panels with lighter weight materials. The M2 wouldn’t exist on a unique platform at an economic price for its low volume, the only alternative would be on the FWD biased UKL2 platform.

If you take a look at similar M-cars (with a Porsche 718 GT4 and Caterham R400 that I own for comparison), looking at the relative size based on comparable nominal volume the car occupies (length x width x height), you can divide that volume into weight to get the kg/m^3 where lower is better. The M2 is close to the GT4. Both M2 and Z4 on the CLAR platform are not as good as the G8x M3 and M4 due to the smaller size, comparable platform and mechanical systems weight.

Overall though no BMW M-car of this millennium is light weight for track use, they all are grouped together, the Caterham stats show how far away a light weight car can be.

Model - length x width (no mirrors) x height, (volume}, DIN weight, (kg / m^3):

E39 M5 - 4.783m x 1.801m x 1.412m, (12.163m^3), 1795kg, (148)
G29 Z4 M40i - 4.324m x 1.864m x 1.304m, (10.510m^3) 1535kg (146)
E46 M3 - 4.490m x 1.780m x 1.370m (10.949m^3) 1570kg (143)
G87 M2 - 4.580m x 1.887m x 1.403m (12.125m^3) 1725kg (142)
718 Cayman GT4 - 4.456m x 1.801m x 1.267m (10.168m^3) 1420kg (140)
G82 M4 - 4.794m x 1.887m x 1.393m (12.602m^3) 1700kg (135)
F87 M2 Comp - 4.468m x 1.854m x 1.410m (11.678m^3) 1550kg (133)
E82 1M - 4.380m x 1.803m x 1.429m (11.285m^3) 1495kg (132)
G80 M3 - 4.794m x 1.903m x 1.433m (13.073m^3) 1705kg (130)
Caterham R400 - 3.100m x 1.575m x 1.115m (5.444m^3) 545kg (100)

Do you have the calculations for the 1M and the OG M2 by chance?

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

Gimme the additional $10k. I will lighten her up for you...

Thank you for the chuckle. I think we can start with the forged wheels, battery and things that won't stop my wife from letting the kids ride in the car.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Do you have the calculations for the 1M and the OG M2 by chance?

The E82 1M is in the list already, OG M2 is similar:

E82 1M - 4.380m x 1.803m x 1.429m (11.285m^3) 1495kg (132)
F87 M2 - 4.468m x 1.854m x 1.410m (11.678m^3) 1520kg (130)

[sl0m0]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Do you have the calculations for the 1M and the OG M2 by chance?

I'd be curious about the e36 m3.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by sl0m0

I'd be curious about the e36 m3.

Although weight measurement standards are a bit less uniform the further back you go, the DIN weight seems to be 1460kg, so the comparable value is:

E36 M3 - 4.433m x 1.710m x 1.335m (10.120m^3) 1460kg (144)

[Ghostrider.1127]

F21M140iX 4,324m x 1,765m x 1,411m 1540KG

[T_U_D]

Can it be 6p already?!

[zero21]

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