[BroDoze]

Don’t forget base 2025 got a fairly significant power bump (auto certainly) further broadening the gap between G87 and F87CS.
Also throttle map tweaks and whatever else they haven’t told us.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by rlove

Sorry, then my question becomes, when do we expect the M2 to go xDrive-only?

I own a '24 M2 in manual and if BMW keeps the car MT, RWD, and no hybrid for a few more years, I'd love to trade up to the last model year with those specs.

the story i have heard through my CA and posts here is that G8X cars will retain manual transmission options until end of life. would love to know if thats not true because it would definitely affect my planning.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

the story i have heard through my CA and posts here is that G8X cars will retain manual transmission options until end of life. would love to know if thats not true because it would definitely affect my planning.

I don't think anyone can in good faith guarantee this. I don't care who they are, MY 2030 is a long time away and things change. ZF could decide to double the price of the MT tomorrow, or take-up rate could nosedive next year.

Even if the CEO of BMW (Zipse) promised this tomorrow, I wouldn't bet on it. He could get fired, things can change.

Edit: FWIW, I like you hope they keep the MT until the last model year, and if they do I may buy one.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I don't think anyone can in good faith guarantee this. I don't care who they are, MY 2030 is a long time away and things change. ZF could decide to double the price of the MT tomorrow, or take-up rate could nosedive next year.

Even if the CEO of BMW (Zipse) promised this tomorrow, I wouldn't bet on it. He could get fired, things can change.

Edit: FWIW, I like you hope they keep the MT until the last model year, and if they do I may buy one.

sad to know, but yeah probably true. i'd like to think the business case can make itself at a ~50% take rate, assuming that holds

[hb]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I don't think anyone can in good faith guarantee this. I don't care who they are, MY 2030 is a long time away and things change. ZF could decide to double the price of the MT tomorrow, or take-up rate could nosedive next year.

Even if the CEO of BMW (Zipse) promised this tomorrow, I wouldn't bet on it. He could get fired, things can change.

Edit: FWIW, I like you hope they keep the MT until the last model year, and if they do I may buy one.

You nailed it. Usually, some things can change up to 18 months before a product is supposed to start production. That's kinda the freeze point in most projects, from what I heard.

[NPTM]

Agree something else has to be in store…F87 came at the end of the production run as a final send off, so this is quite different and stoked my fear of BMW making this a less limited production run, which would def make it less special. I hope they don’t do that and preserve the brand value of the CS name plate, but I also know BMW learned they can move these premium lines and the margins are so much bigger for them, so the motivation is there…recall BMW had a hard time selling the top dogs in the E46/E92 days, and the most desireable / valuable iterations today actually lingered on dealer lots for a while.

Assumed a higher power, AWD and auto-only model could be a CS v2 later in the run, but based on commentary above it seems like that may not wear the CS badge, but TBD! Maybe they do a GTS line and make it absolutely bonkers?!?!

[robopp]

Originally Posted by hb

I don't see BMW offering both a manual model and awd at the same time.

If BMW drops the manual transmission a lot of potential buyers are going to jump ship to other brands (*cough* Audi *cough*). I really hope you’re wrong.

[Carefree]

Manual, auto, xDrive, wheels, lip, carbon roof, price, etc. are not deal breakers for me.

If my dealer has an allocation, I’m in.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by robopp

If BMW drops the manual transmission a lot of potential buyers are going to jump ship to other brands (*cough* Audi *cough*). I really hope you’re wrong.

If they drop the manual, there is no questions asked for trading in MY24.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by rlove

Sorry, then my question becomes, when do we expect the M2 to go xDrive-only?

I own a '24 M2 in manual and if BMW keeps the car MT, RWD, and no hybrid for a few more years, I'd love to trade up to the last model year with those specs.

My plan is to get the MY25 with a MT (on order, waiting for allocation).

If they continue to offer a MT, get another in the final year and make it a garage queen, while I drive the old one.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

If they drop the manual, there is no questions asked for trading in MY24.

if they drop the manual i am moving on. i really like the G8X cars but if i am going to be forced into an auto i will vote with my wallet on the next go round, just like i did this time.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

if they drop the manual i am moving on. i really like the G8X cars but if i am going to be forced into an auto i will vote with my wallet on the next go round, just like i did this time.

And purchase what? People said the same thing when Corvette went DCT & no manual, but there's nothing with similar performance & price available with a manual transmission.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

And purchase what? People said the same thing when Corvette went DCT & no manual, but there's nothing with similar performance & price available with a manual transmission.

dunno. go back to hot hatches (CTR, ITS, GR-C) which loses some premium element but im not too uppity to really care. go to the used market and find a nice old man driven G80 stick if i need the power. but it wont be a new G8X without a stick.

[Carefree]

Having driven/owned a boatload of classic and muscle cars (all manual transmissions) for over 5 decades, this is my first automatic. Prior to this G87, my favs were a 1969 GTX and a 1965 Mustang K code.

That being said, it’s a terrific automobile and a hoot to drive. I don’t miss the third pedal.

YMMV

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Having driven/owned a boatload of classic and muscle cars (all manual transmissions) for over 5 decades, this is my first automatic. Prior to this G87, my favs were a 1969 GTX and a 1965 Mustang K code.

That being said, it’s a terrific automobile and a hoot to drive. I don’t miss the third pedal.

YMMV

I agree. Nearly all my performance cars were manual, which was fine when I was in my 20s & early 30s. I still have a manual, supercharged Z06 in the garage but 9/10 I take the M2. The Z is delegated to weekend/country road driving or if my son's teammates want to see it, I'll take/pick him up from practice in it. Other than that, driving a manual around where I live sucks, which is why my M2 is an auto.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I agree. Nearly all my performance cars were manual, which was fine when I was in my 20s & early 30s. I still have a manual, supercharged Z06 in the garage but 9/10 I take the M2. The Z is delegated to weekend/country road driving or if my son's teammates want to see it, I'll take/pick him up from practice in it. Other than that, driving a manual around where I live sucks, which is why my M2 is an auto.

not hating on the auto. its just my personal preference. at this stage in my life i want to daily a stick, and every time my own money is on the line, it ends up being the a dealbreaker when i can't get that. so realistically this is how i personally think about it, and ill take a less prestige/less capable/lower end model if i have to, while i still can.

[hb]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

if they drop the manual i am moving on. i really like the G8X cars but if i am going to be forced into an auto i will vote with my wallet on the next go round, just like i did this time.

Let's wait and see. Still years to go. It might also vary by market, who knows. A bit early to tell.

[playswcars]

If the G80 and F90 CS are any indication, the G87 CS will be an absolute weapon. I personally can't wait for this to come out.

[reallymarkedup]

Originally Posted by playswcars

If the G80 and F90 CS are any indication, the G87 CS will be an absolute weapon. I personally can't wait for this to come out.

Whoah there hoss. I've only been around these forums for a minute, but I can tell you right now that kind of optimism is not welcome here! You gotta be all doom and gloom on everything, talk about how good things were back in the day, throw in a harumph or two and walk away grumbling about how BMW has lost their way.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

if they drop the manual i am moving on. i really like the G8X cars but if i am going to be forced into an auto i will vote with my wallet on the next go round, just like i did this time.

I meant like if they drop it into the Cs not like get rid of it lmfao. I’d only do this car manual as mine is.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

I meant like if they drop it into the Cs not like get rid of it lmfao. I’d only do this car manual as mine is.

trust me, i want to put 100k on my G87 and then grab a last model year G87/G80 and put a million on that. but only if they offer me a stick.

the rest is really my contingency plan in case BMW shits the bed.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by robopp

If BMW drops the manual transmission a lot of potential buyers are going to jump ship to other brands (*cough* Audi *cough*). I really hope you’re wrong.

Genuine question - what Audi would you go for in that case?