[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by WestRace

They will probably compare the Z06 to the GT3 in which case the outcome may be similar. The issue here is not that the C8 lost to the Cayman (it only lost by one point so that might not even be a "lost" IMO), but the way it lost to the Cayman.

The issue here is they use the word like "antiseptic and numb feeling" to describe the C8 characters but hopefully the Z06 will address that.

Which is my point. No one gets excited about a 718 non-S, or even a 992 stripper. And comparing a Z06 to the GT3 will continue to be absurd as one is nearly double the cost of the other. The Z06 will clearly be more capable than the GT4 for less money.

[WestRace]

Raw and refine are not mutually exclusive. You can have both but they cost money. 911's are a good example of having both rawness and refinement. I mean you can have rawness but not at the expense of refinement. In the case of the C8, they managed to achieve refinement at the expense of being raw, but at the C8 price point, it is justifiable. And that's what people are complaining that the C8 is a bit too numb and muted.

[See5]

Yeah, picking the GT4 to go against the C8 was a dumb comparison. They made up a bunch of bullshit about the 992 becoming too soft and GT-like and that the GT4 and C8 Z51 were equally track ready which is far from the truth. The Z51 cars are not GTx-level track cars and never have been.

The 911 and Corvette have moved in very similar directions especially over the past 4 generations(996 to 992, C5 to C8). Almost identical in fact(outside of the C8). Heavier, more refined, better interiors, better ride, and more features while offering blazing performance.

In reality, it should've been the 992(base or S) vs C8 just like C/D has done for the past 35 years. They either couldn't get a 992 in time for the test or wanted to try something different just because.

I look forward to a real head to head by a major magazine at some point.

[WestRace]

The 911 S is even more expensive than the GT4 so comparing the C8 to the 911 S is even be more "dumber". But anyway, the outcome will probably be similar.

[See5]

Originally Posted by WestRace

The 911 S is even more expensive than the GT4 so comparing the C8 to the 911 S is even be more "dumber". But anyway, the outcome will probably be similar.

More dumber?

No, regardless of price they are far more evenly matched in mission than the Cayman GT4 which is designed to be an outright track car. The price isn't the issue.

[WestRace]

911 S vs. C8 (sort of)

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Even better is that the 911 is the only car of those three to still offer a proper transmission

You won’t get that launch with a manual though.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Even better is that the 911 is the only car of those three to still offer a proper transmission

Driver of the 992 mentioned "208 across the line" which equates to 129 mph, similar to the 991 Turbo S

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I don't care, car is plenty fast, in fact I would argue faster than it needs to be but the experience of rowing your own gears trumps launch control for me any day of the week.

Seriously. How many times are you going to stop in the middle of a road or at a red light, press some buttons, floor the gas while completely stopped and launch like you have somewhere to be yesterday?

I used my launch control in my S4 DSG once in 3 years. The day that I sold it for my manual M3, and it was only because I realized that I had never experienced it for myself, so better late than never.

People don't drive like that. I could see it as a 1/4 mile track feature but how many people are really buying it for the 1/4 mile?

The case for a good automatic vs a manual is there, but launch control is so far down the list of reasons when you look at the whole picture of owning a street car and what you're using it for.

[Alfisti]

I've never understood the whole standing start thing, just never understood.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I've never understood the whole standing start thing, just never understood.

It's what most of the US has, because most people live in the cities with straight roads. Straight line performance is accessible for a lot more people and they seek it out.

[Alfisti]

Yah that is true, I switch between mustang and porsche for this reason.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Agree, the obsession with horsepower and 0-60 numbers is one of the reasons that newer cars are getting worse and worse and more numb/less engaging than before.

Worst, the lawyers force use of Nannies that you have to defeat so if you launch the car into a nursing home, the Manufacturer doesn't get sued. Lol.

I'll take a light-weight, nicely balanced 200 - 250 HP car that I can drive 300,000 miles with not much trouble over a 700 HP launch machine.

[See5]

Originally Posted by WestRace

911 S vs. C8 (sort of)

The C8 being slower in a straightline than 992 isn't surprising, the C8 in their hands being a good bit quicker on that track is.

As I said, I welcome a real test one of these days.

[BigHunk]

Carrera S(3.4sec to 100km/h) Corvette C8(3.0sec) who is lying in this story?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by See5

The C8 being slower in a straightline than 992 isn't surprising, the C8 in their hands being a good bit quicker on that track is.

As I said, I welcome a real test one of these days.

A couple things here. Owner of the 992 is on Rennlist and said tires were crap. They are going to retest in the same totes the C8 was which are the Michelin 4S. They’re much better.
The C8 not only was tested on a different day and on much better tires, but chevy also did a “track” alignment.

Here is the only true head to head of the 992S and C8 so far.

[Towerworld]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

A couple things here. Owner of the 992 is on Rennlist and said tires were crap. They are going to retest in the same totes the C8 was which are the Michelin 4S. They’re much better.
The C8 not only was tested on a different day and on much better tires, but chevy also did a “track” alignment.

Here is the only true head to head of the 992S and C8 so far.

Untrue, R&T ran both cars together on a track aswell and the C8 recorded a quicker lap time. The Track alignment is not a special modification, the car comes with 2 official camber settings; street setting is the one its on from factory. If it were on road alignment for Sport Auto's Test that's not a fair comparison either.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Towerworld

Untrue, R&T ran both cars together on a track aswell and the C8 recorded a quicker lap time. The Track alignment is not a special modification, the car comes with 2 official camber settings; street setting is the one its on from factory. If it were on road alignment for Sport Auto's Test that's not a fair comparison either.

Then in all fairness, the 992 should be able to get proper track alignment too otherwise it’s always unfair. We will have to see how more laps turn out. The C8 should be faster given it’s got better power and torque to weight but think the 992 still has a lot more poise and precision around a circuit and ultimately carries more speed and produces faster times.
I know SportAuto did their super test on the 992, and hopefully they get their hands on a C8 too.

[See5]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Then in all fairness, the 992 should be able to get proper track alignment too otherwise it’s always unfair. We will have to see how more laps turn out. The C8 should be faster given it’s got better power and torque to weight but think the 992 still has a lot more poise and precision around a circuit and ultimately carries more speed and produces faster times.
I know SportAuto did their super test on the 992, and hopefully they get their hands on a C8 too.

The 992 makes just as much torque as the C8 and is 200 pounds lighter. Its not about poise and precision. The 992 is just faster everywhere past 60mph than the C8. Their cornering speeds are probably close to identical. Look at the difference in speed on the straight in that video.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Worst, the lawyers force use of Nannies that you have to defeat so if you launch the car into a nursing home, the Manufacturer doesn't get sued. Lol.

I'll take a light-weight, nicely balanced 200 - 250 HP car that I can drive 300,000 miles with not much trouble over a 700 HP launch machine.

Life is too short to own the same vehicle for 300k miles. But your car does exist, used, for cheap.

Take '16-18 Miata, add Edelbrock Supercharger or BBR turbo, wheels/tires/suspension............enjoy.

Of course if you wanted to track it you'd need to add brakes and cooling for engine/trans/diff, but that's a different story.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Life is too short to own the same vehicle for 300k miles. But your car does exist, used, for cheap.

Take '16-18 Miata, add Edelbrock Supercharger or BBR turbo, wheels/tires/suspension............enjoy.

Of course if you wanted to track it you'd need to add brakes and cooling for engine/trans/diff, but that's a different story.

Right. But I have 3 other BMWs to drive and a truck and motorscooter.

LOL

[TXSTYLE]

Saw my first one in the wild today. Bright Silver.
It looks much smaller in person. Looks good though.