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      10-24-2016, 11:55 AM   #1
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2017 Camaro ZL1 - 7:29.6 at the Nurburgring

And this isn't even the "fast one".

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And this isn't even the "fast one".
What do you mean not the fastest one? I thought the ZL-1 was the track-ready version (which to me means "fastest" one).
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What do you mean not the fastest one? I thought the ZL-1 was the track-ready version (which to me means "fastest" one).
Nope, the ZL1 is more like a high powered GT car.

This will be their track weapon...next gen Z28.

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What do you mean not the fastest one? I thought the ZL-1 was the track-ready version (which to me means "fastest" one).
It is the fastest one that Chevy makes.
The ZL1 package is their best offering.
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      10-24-2016, 12:49 PM   #6
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So 10 seconds slower than the Nissan GR-R clocked in 2013....
1) Compare the price difference. Imagine what you could do to the Camaro with just HALF the money saved.
2) AWD vs RWD.

I mean, really!
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It is the fastest one that Chevy makes.
The ZL1 package is their best offering.
In a straight line, not around a track.

Last gen ZL1 was slower around ring than the Z28.
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So 10 seconds slower than the Nissan GR-R clocked in 2013....
Yes, but at nearly half the price.

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It is the fastest one that Chevy makes.
The ZL1 package is their best offering.
not around the track. the z28 is a monster. just like how the gt500 would get abused by a gt350 around the track.
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https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

That puts the Camaro in REALLY good company. And just over 2 seconds behind the uber-expensive AWD GTR nissan.

Hats off to the Bow Tie guys.
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not around the track. the z28 is a monster. just like how the gt500 would get abused by a gt350 around the track.
Except the Z28 logged a 7:37 at the 'ring.
I'm going to chock that up to SLOWER than the ZL1
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Except the Z28 logged a 7:37 at the 'ring.
I'm going to chock that up to SLOWER than the ZL1
your comparing a 17 model zl1 to a 15-16 model z28. the next 17-18 z28 that someone posted the spy shot of is going to abuse the zl1.
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5th Gen Camaro: ZL-1@7:41.27 (580HP/556TQ) - Z/28@7:37.47 (505HP/481TQ)
6th Gen Camaro: ZL-1@7:29.60 (650HP/650TQ) - Z/28@N/A

While the 6th Gen chassis is light years ahead of the 5th Gen one, I think the increased HP/TQ numbers have also greatly contributed to the faster Ring lap time of the ZL-1...

I believe the rumor is that the Gen 6 Z/28 is to receive the same power plant that was in the Gen 5 Z/28.

If that's the case, I don't believe that the Z/28 will improve on it's time as much as the ZL-1 did. I speculate that the Z/28's time will be close to what the ZL-1 put down, albeit with less HP and TQ...and maybe weight.
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So 10 seconds slower than the Nissan GR-R clocked in 2013....
Here's the main problem with that statement:
NO one has been able to EVER replicate a lap time that even comes close to what Nissan "claims" the GT-R can do.

Case in point:
NISMO GT-R, yes the $150K GT-R in the Car and Drive Lightning Lap did a 2:49.4 in 2015. The "antiquated technology" last gen Z/28 did a 2:50.9.
Oh, a 2012 GT-R ran a 2:53.2, yup, slower than the Z/28.
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Except the Z28 logged a 7:37 at the 'ring.
I'm going to chock that up to SLOWER than the ZL1
The 7:37 time was on a damp/wet track in sections, so not a completely dry track. Experts said it cost them around 10 seconds.
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Here's the 5th Gen Z/28 Nurburgring lap. The moderate rain comes about 6:00 in and the car starts sliding all over. It's definitely capable of faster than 7:37.

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Except the Z28 logged a 7:37 at the 'ring.
I'm going to chock that up to SLOWER than the ZL1
You do realize there is a new Z28 coming out. It will be faster around the Nurburgring, just like the last gen Z28 was faster than the last gen ZL1.

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Impressive. Next Z/28 should pull a better time.
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How is no one mentioning the shifting speed of that transmission? Its sounds like its shifting faster then any DCT I've heard.
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So 10 seconds slower than the Nissan GR-R clocked in 2013....
GR-R? Never heard of that but a GT-R, I have. And to think, the ZL1 is way less expensive to own and buy is only 10 seconds behind a GT-R. See the lightning lap results for the 1LE? I'm safe to assume the ZL1 would beat the put a good second on the GT-R on a track like that.

The GT-R had its time to shine and now lower end models are coming in to take that light.
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What do you mean not the fastest one? I thought the ZL-1 was the track-ready version (which to me means "fastest" one).
Nope, the Z/28 was always the track one. The ZL1 handily beat the GT500, but the BOSS was more of the equal to the Z/28, even though the Z/28 beat that too.

They went nuts with the Z/28 reducing weight, increasing performance, to even hollowing out the chevy emblem in the grill for airflow. Serious car.
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