[MKSixer]

Beginning this season, a single Championship Point will be awarded to the points finishers (Top 10 Finishers).

What do you think?

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[MKSixer]

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What say you, gentlemen?

[Run Silent]

I dunno, man. I can see some of the benefits of why they want to do it - but I really feel this just makes it even more overly complicated.

Points should be awarded on winning the race. Period. If someone who is not going to win, goes all out and puts down the fastest lap times, he should get a point - even if mid pack at the finish line? I don't know if I agree with that.

In addition, I worry about someone mid pack trying to push too hard to get that point and then crashing, taking several other contenders out of the race.

I just don't really see the 'point of the point'.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

I dunno, man. I can see some of the benefits of why they want to do it - but I really feel this just makes it even more overly complicated.

Points should be awarded on winning the race. Period. If someone who is not going to win, goes all out and puts down the fastest lap times, he should get a point - even if mid pack at the finish line? I don't know if I agree with that.

In addition, I worry about someone mid pack trying to push too hard to get that point and then crashing, taking several other contenders out of the race.

I just don't really see the 'point of the point'.

I understand that it is only available to the top 10 finishers so the top of the mid-field will definitely be in. I like it because it is a feature from the original championship and it means some of the mid-pack teams may get more money from column 1 and column 2 payments from Formula One Management. I'm all for that.

[thebishman]

Far better idea is to award a point for Pole Position.

Bish

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by thebishman

Far better idea is to award a point for Pole Position.

Bish

I was actually thinking both. Anything to make them go faster and stop the following dreaded items:

Driving to a Delta :thumb down
Lift and Coast :thumb down
Extreme tire preservation

F1 is supposed to be a sprint, not a resource management series.

[MKSixer]

Here are some of those who have posted in F1 or Racing threads in the past. What are your thought, gentlemen?

Grumpy Old Man WestRace GTIGUY1992 lebreeze jkoral jmg dzvero Jerain racerbruce inTgr8r EdM5 Poiseuille mk1-fan hellrotm five_timer MGM135is Bartledoo

This is the first points shake up since we went to the 25 point system.

[Run Silent]

I still struggle with this - but I am a serious Luddite when it comes to racing rules. If it were up to me, I would eliminate 99% of the rules in F1 and make it like it and the old IMSA days were, in which it was essentially a proving ground for new tech.

As such, any ideas to make the rules or points requirements more complicated cause a knee jerk reaction from me.

[MassNerd]

It's not overly complicated in my opinion. When you watch the broadcast, they track fastest lap (and sectors) anyway.

And like MKSixer pointed out, since the limits on fuel, F1 has become too much about resource management. It'd be great to see them push for a couple laps to get that extra point.

[rcracin]

At first look, i think it sounds like a good idea. Then I recall 2016 and Lewis losing to Nico by only 5 points. And obviously as mentioned, Massa in 2008.

Maybe the drivers who finish 11th and lower should be eligible for it as opposed to 10th and higher. This way it doesn’t affext the championship.

[rockstar93]

Interesting idea but I wonder if it will actually change anything.

Those in positions ~9-12 are probably already pushing hard to obtain/maintain their points position. Anybody below wouldn't qualify, and anybody above would probably be risk averse and preserve their higher position rather than risk a crash for 1 point (unless it was near the end of the season and down to the wire).

Unless they made it so at the end of the season you can get multiple extra points based on how many fastest laps you've earned, but then it's getting complicated.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

I still struggle with this - but I am a serious Luddite when it comes to racing rules. If it were up to me, I would eliminate 99% of the rules in F1 and make it like it and the old IMSA days were, in which it was essentially a proving ground for new tech.

As such, any ideas to make the rules or points requirements more complicated cause a knee jerk reaction from me.

Since you're the confessed and acknowledged luddite this should be right up your alley: It was the rule in the 1950-1959 formula! Embrace it!!

[jkoral]

Although I voted for "Nope", the stupidest idea since the pet rock was actually the double points in the last race of the year (thankfully it only lasted one year, at the 2014 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix).

[mk1-fan]

I don't like it.

Anyone in the field can get the fastest lap by pitting late.

As mentioned earlier, rather give it to pole position.

What the F1 big wigs can't seem to fathom, or get right, is that we want to see close racing, with regular over taking, and not just with DRS. They should change the rules to bring back mechanical grip and get rid of some of the aero grip. Make the tyres wider with lower profiles, and fit it on bigger diameter wheels. The back wing should be smaller and the front bigger, so that cars can follow closely in high speed corners.

Also, bring back refueling, and please, stop with the excuse of it being dangerous. If all other formulae can manage it, why not F1?

[mk1-fan]

Originally Posted by jkoral

Although I voted for "Nope", the stupidest idea since the pet rock was actually the double points in the last race of the year (thankfully it only lasted one year, at the 2014 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix).

Agreed, it should win idiot award of the decade.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by jkoral

Although I voted for "Nope", the stupidest idea since the pet rock was actually the double points in the last race of the year (thankfully it only lasted one year, at the 2014 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix).

The much maligned Abu Double!

[minn19]

I get the idea behind it, but still not a fan of it. I voted for option C.

[Poiseuille]

Generally, I'm not in favor of this. Points should be awarded according to how you finish the race. 'How you finish' being, after all, sort of the point of the exercise.
The problem, as some have pointed out, of backmarkers doing crazy chit to get a point is addressed by limiting the award to the top ten. When GP2 first added the fastest-lap-point to their rules....well, racers aren't stupid: backmarkers would stop 3 laps from the end, get fresh slicks then set a scorcher on empty tanks. No brainer. All that stopped when the FIA added the top-ten caveat.

[Poiseuille]

Originally Posted by thebishman

Far better idea is to award a point for Pole Position.

Bish

just betting that Lewis would be in favor of this rule.
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[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Poiseuille

just betting that Lewis would be in favor of this rule.
.

The GOAT in his formative years!

[Poiseuille]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

I still struggle with this - but I am a serious Luddite when it comes to racing rules. If it were up to me, I would eliminate 99% of the rules in F1 and make it like it and the old IMSA days were, in which it was essentially a proving ground for new tech.

As such, any ideas to make the rules or points requirements more complicated cause a knee jerk reaction from me.

^^^^ THIS

if it were up to me I'd mostly keep the current tub on the grounds that it prevents people getting killed, but otherwise reissue the 1978 rule book. Just imagine: it's practice 1, first weekend of the season, and one team shows up with six-wheeled cars...
40 or so years ago a spectator at a Players Series (Atlantics) race would be confronted with a starting grid filled by six or seven different manufactures with very distinct designs and anywhere from 12 to 18 different teams each with their own (mostly unregulated) ideas regarding aero pacs. The only thing common was the sort-of-spec Ford BDAs, usually from Brian Hart.
Champ cars were the same.
I can promise you that racing in those days was A LOT more interesting.
It was, unfortunately, also very dangerous.

[Poiseuille]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

True - but I feel we can keep the bulk of the rules regarding safety and still allow more leniency elsewhere, no?

F1, like almost all top level racing, has almost become a spec series.

yes. keep the tubs. aero should be left up to those who understand aero.
engines should be limited by displacement ONLY.
I am mostly not in favor of forced induction.

Edit: absolutely no electric motors. If the UN and the IPCC want political racing, let them start their own series. they could call it....oh, i dunno, "Formula E" or something.