[Tag]

As previously reported by ynguldyn; confirmation that MY25 G87 M2 will be getting a power bump of +20hp taking it from 453 to 473hp / 353kW with SOP on 08/2024.

21DM - EUR LHD (3.0l / 353kW, Production period: from 08/2024)
22DM - EUR RHD (3.0l / 353kW, Production period: from 08/2024)
23DM - USA LHD (3.0l / 353kW, Production period: from 08/2024)

• Preliminary findings by ynguldyn indicate the manual M2 will carry over the same 406 lb-ft / 550nm of torque while the automatic version will get a bump to 443lb-ft / 600nm. (Yet to be confirmed)
• Model designation remains M2, not M2C or LCI.

[Geighty7]

How do we explain the dyno of the MY23 and MY24 at 477WHP videos circulating compared to this new power boost? If they truly do up the power vs just marketing tactics (since we are already at over 470hp if these videos are true), I wonder if the MY25 will achieve about 500WHP dynoed.

[Mr. Hankey]

So it seems the HP bump is just for the ZF Auto, not manuals? Or perhaps not known yet.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Fahrt

So it seems the HP bump is just for the ZF Auto, not manuals? Or perhaps not known yet.

the way i interpreted it was that autos will be the HP and TQ bump, and manuals will just get the HP bump

[mynameisnick4]

Seems like a bit of a slap in the face to the first year, year and a half buyers (if it is a true power bump.) Has BMW done this before, giving more power to an M car before an LCI/comp version?

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by mynameisnick4

Seems like a bit of a slap in the face to the first year, year and a half buyers (if it is a true power bump.) Has BMW done this before, giving more power to an M car before an LCI/comp version?

i can only speak for myself, but i will say this as a current 2024 owner- i feel in no way, shape or form ripped off about 20 more hp. in terms of my wishlist for the car, more power is very far down in order of priority. if the update gave them, oh lets say, a proper gauge cluster or a louder OEM exhaust, then yea i might have a sense of regret on my early adopter decision...

[Carefree]

More phony numbers

[mynameisnick4]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

i can only speak for myself, but i will say this as a current 2024 owner- i feel in no way, shape or form ripped off about 20 more hp. in terms of my wishlist for the car, more power is very far down in order of priority. if the update gave them, oh lets say, a proper gauge cluster or a louder OEM exhaust, then yea i might have a sense of regret on my early adopter decision...

Yeah I guess it depends what is important to you. Granted this isn't like the jump the Supra got in the second year. Since this for sure is only going to be a change in the tune, I wonder why they wouldn't give people the option to get it as an upgrade? Seems like easy money for BMW.

[MineralGreyMetallic]

Since current G87s seem to be dyno'ing higher than the currently advertised HP, does this increase just make the marketing material more accurate or actually bump what people are seeing in their independent tests?

[NJbaitshop]

As someone who just picked up their 2024 with carbon package, I knew this was coming, but the thought of waiting an additional year (making it two years total) for 20HP didn't seem worth it.

The potential risk of missing out on a manual and possibly losing the ability to order the carbon pack strengthened my decision to keep my current build. The fact that it's the same exact engine makes me think there could be ways (either OEM or aftermarket) to gain that 20HP down the line.

If it was rumored to be a bigger bump, like the first year Supra, I may have opted to wait.

The only real downside is extra depreciation down the road for the 23/24 models, but I didn't buy this car to make money. I just wanted something fun & modern to drive. I knew it was going to cost me!

[Tag]

Originally Posted by mynameisnick4

Yeah I guess it depends what is important to you. Granted this isn't like the jump the Supra got in the second year. Since this for sure is only going to be a change in the tune, I wonder why they wouldn't give people the option to get it as an upgrade? Seems like easy money for BMW.

Because it's probably not worth it to them. When flashing any update, you have to take into account there are multiple underlying dependencies/modules that also need to be flashed. It's a case by case basis, some cars will need more components updated than others and can take multiple hours or overnight to complete. There is also the risk that something fails and has to be reflashed, etc. That could take up a lot of shop time at the dealer. Remember, BMW has to pay each dealer for this type of work. And if a dealerships systems are tied up flashing M cars for performance mods they can't address other cars with real issues that require updates.

What they will do instead is offer you to trade up. Don't get me wrong, if they actually figured out a way to offer this it would be awesome, I'm just giving you a reason why they might not think it's feasible.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by MineralGreyMetallic

Since current G87s seem to be dyno'ing higher than the currently advertised HP, does this increase just make the advertising more accurate or actually bump what people are seeing in their independent tests?

That’s what asked up top, glad others see it that way also. In my mind, it’s marketing tactics. But also- 20hp isn’t significant enough to make a huge difference to be upset at as others have listed above.

If the MY25 came with a carbon trunk spoiler or maybe the updated interior the new facelift M4 came with, I’d be sort of upset. But if it’s 20hp and some additional colors, I’m just swapping for the BMC air filters (10hp apparently) and doing my exhaust and that’s that.

[Kanrai]

August is a long time away….until it’s August..

[Geighty7]

I also just bought a MY24 on Friday with carbon pack + 6MT so WHOOPS! Lol. My second G87.

Bring on the MY25 (as long as it’s not way cooler than my car).

[ourlee]

The LCI M4 is shown with a flat bottom wheel(awesome) and hideous headlites (less awesome)

[iifymbro]

same deal here, could've conceivably waited for the '25 but if they don't start production until August you're probably not getting one until late fall sometime, I don't care enough about 20hp to wait that long

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

same deal here, could've conceivably waited for the '25 but if they don't start production until August you're probably not getting one until late fall sometime, I don't care enough about 20hp to wait that long

I say that to myself also until a Grigio Telesto or Voodoo Blue G87 lines up next to me at a red light lol.

[Kanrai]

I need to loose 15lbs by summer so my car will be faster anyway…

[mynameisnick4]

Originally Posted by Tag

Because it's probably not worth it to them. When flashing any update, you have to take into account there are multiple underlying dependencies/modules that also need to be flashed. It's a case by case basis, some cars will need more components updated than others and can take multiple hours or overnight to complete. There is also the risk that something fails and has to be reflashed, etc. That could take up a lot of shop time at the dealer. Remember, BMW has to pay each dealer for this type of work. And if a dealerships systems are tied up flashing M cars for performance mods they can't address other cars with real issues that require updates.

What they will do instead is offer you to trade up. Don't get me wrong, if they actually figured out a way to offer this it would be awesome, I'm just giving you a reason why they might not think it's feasible.

Eh, I can't imagine that it would be that involved. If the aftermarket can make solutions to re-flash tunes (granted requiring a piggy back in most case), I would think the OEM can manage. I wouldn't be surprised if they could do this with an OTA update, not even require a trip to the dealer. Plus it would cost them nothing in parts, so I would think the margins would be massive.

But like you pointed out, they would probably be happier to trade in your MY23/MY24 for the MY25 if it were that important.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by Kanrai

I need to loose 15lbs by summer so my car will be faster anyway…

You and me both. I’m at the limit with these bucket seats lol.

[Kanrai]

Originally Posted by mynameisnick4

But like you pointed out, they would probably be happier to trade in your MY23/MY24 for the MY25 if it were that important.

Taxes and Depreciation cost would not make it worth a minimal power gain. Wait will 2027, drive your card hard then trade it in. Then the cost would probably worth it. But by 2027 there might be something else to buy… it will never end until realization of what one has already is enough and to have any M2 (f or g) should be enough. If you wanted an m2.

[Kanrai]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

You and me both. I’m at the limit with these bucket seats lol.

lol makes my butt feel too big….