[Digitalprty]

Apologies for the long post. I’m having analysis paralysis.

I have forged wheels coming in about two months, so I’m in the market for new tires. Wheels are 19x10 ET14 and 20x11 ET13. Tires will be 285/35 R19 and 305/30 R20. Stock wheels and tires will be stored and forgotten about.

I was set on getting the Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02, but now I’m also considering all-seasons (specifically, the Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus), since I’m in Connecticut. Temperatures can dip below 40°F for half of the year, at least in the mornings. My M2 is currently on the OEM Pirellis. Driving those below 40°F definitely causes slippage before they’re properly warmed up.

I also have an AWD RAV4 with dedicated snow tires for winter and all-seasons for the rest of the year. I will not drive the M2 in the snow or when the roads are salted.

I don’t track the M2 or really push it to its limits. My car is lowered, so I’m looking more to increase comfort rather than performance. I work from home full-time, so I’ll only drive it about 5,000 miles a year, if that. Concerns about tire price and longevity are negligible, for my purposes.

Given the climate, getting the all-seasons could provide me with an extra two months of driving in the cold without traction concerns. Is there any other benefit to getting the summers? Will the all-seasons be noticeably worse in the summer? Is there anything else I’m missing? Thanks in advance.

[Bimmer Frank]

BMW does design and source what they call Star OEM tires which are specifically designed for M cars. For your purposes, it doesn't sound like it would matter much, but just thought I'd mention it since you asked for considerations.

The following video describes the differences:

[Digitalprty]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Frank

BMW does design and source what they call Star OEM tires which are specifically designed for M cars. For your purposes, it doesn't sound like it would matter much, but just thought I'd mention it since you asked for considerations.

The following video describes the differences:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COA630Juf_U

Yeah. That’s basically why I ended up with Continental. The star Michelin tires aren’t offered in the sizes I’m looking for. I’d have to resort to the retail Michelins, which are notably worse and yet still more expensive than the Continentals, which hold their own over the standard Michelins.

[HeatJoey]

Got my dws06’s on today and I live in miami so there’s my vote it’s real simple .

[LeggoRacing]

I’d get the ecs02 and call it a day. They’ll be more than capable (especially if you’re not pushing it during the winter). As a backup I’d get the dws06 on the factory wheels if you feel like toying around in the cold/snow.
Thing to note their sizes run a little small and rear tire will be more stretched than factory looked so bump up a size ( I did 285 on my rear tire match oem and it looks ricer stretched (.

[Digitalprty]

Originally Posted by HeatJoey

Got my dws06’s on today and I live in miami so there’s my vote it’s real simple .

What made you choose an all-season when you could have easily gotten away with summers year-round?

[TallGibbs]

Digitalprty have you thought about putting winter tires on your OEM wheels? I live in north New Jersey and run a dedicated set of winter wheels & tires and then can run OEM tires/high performance summer the other 8-9 months of the year.

Even on winter tires there is still TONS of traction. On dry roads, I can hit a peak of about 0.8g on braking which is tremendous on winter tires and the handling is still far above what the speed limits allow.

Thus, my recommendation is your put snow tires on for any days below 40s degrees and all the slushy/crappy roads you will see.

[Digitalprty]

Originally Posted by TallGibbs

Digitalprty have you thought about putting winter tires on your OEM wheels? I live in north New Jersey and run a dedicated set of winter wheels & tires and then can run OEM tires/high performance summer the other 8-9 months of the year.

Even on winter tires there is still TONS of traction. On dry roads, I can hit a peak of about 0.8g on braking which is tremendous on winter tires and the handling is still far above what the speed limits allow.

Thus, my recommendation is your put snow tires on for any days below 40s degrees and all the slushy/crappy roads you will see.

I have my RAV4 to drive in the snow/winter.

I don’t really want, or need, to drive the M2 in the snow/salt. Honestly, I even avoid driving it in the rain. I’m looking to keep only one set of wheels on the M2 year-round (no season-swapping).

[IanH]

It sounds like you are committed to the arrangement of only driving your car when the weather allows.

In that case I would be putting summers on the car. Dws06 have a soft sidewall and are not really good performance tires. If you were gonna put a lot of miles on the car then the all season would creep back into the equation.

[ScottyRyan2019]

I'm running Conti DWS06's (275/35/19 front, 295/30/20 rear). I picked the car up last early January and ran the tires through the winter up until this December when I put it in storage. The DWS06 are a fine tire for year round driving even if some of that driving is quite spirited down in Mexico.

[LeggoRacing]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

I'm running Conti DWS06's (275/35/19 front, 295/30/20 rear). I picked the car up last early January and ran the tires through the winter up until this December when I put it in storage. The DWS06 are a fine tire for year round driving even if some of that driving is quite spirited down in Mexico.

Do you by chance have a pic of how the 295 looks on the wheel? I did 285 to match stock and it looks crazy stretched

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by LeggoRacing

Do you by chance have a pic of how the 295 looks on the wheel? I did 285 to match stock and it looks crazy stretched

I ran the 295's on my OEM wheels for about 6 months until my 20 x 11's came in. They worked well on the OEM wheel. The acceptable width range of the tire is 10" to 11" with the measuring wheel width at 10.5" ( the width all the tire specs are derived from ). So the OEM wheel is right in there.

You can see the bi-color 20 x 10.5 with the 295 and then the aftermarket 20 x 11 with the 295. The OEM was with a 12mm spacer, the aftermarket obviously has no spacer.

The car is stock 4x4 height for off-road clearance!

[LeggoRacing]

Thanks for that. Yeah, it does look better on the stock wheel. Here’s mine ha

[AZG87]

Originally Posted by Digitalprty

Apologies for the long post. I’m having analysis paralysis.

I have forged wheels coming in about two months, so I’m in the market for new tires. Wheels are 19x10 ET14 and 20x11 ET13. Tires will be 285/35 R19 and 305/30 R20. Stock wheels and tires will be stored and forgotten about.

I was set on getting the Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02, but now I’m also considering all-seasons (specifically, the Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus), since I’m in Connecticut. Temperatures can dip below 40°F for half of the year, at least in the mornings. My M2 is currently on the OEM Pirellis. Driving those below 40°F definitely causes slippage before they’re properly warmed up.

I also have an AWD RAV4 with dedicated snow tires for winter and all-seasons for the rest of the year. I will not drive the M2 in the snow or when the roads are salted.

I don’t track the M2 or really push it to its limits. My car is lowered, so I’m looking more to increase comfort rather than performance. I work from home full-time, so I’ll only drive it about 5,000 miles a year, if that. Concerns about tire price and longevity are negligible, for my purposes.

Given the climate, getting the all-seasons could provide me with an extra two months of driving in the cold without traction concerns. Is there any other benefit to getting the summers? Will the all-seasons be noticeably worse in the summer? Is there anything else I’m missing? Thanks in advance.

I can't speak to the all seasons, but I just swapped from the oem ps4s to EC Sport 02s in the same spec you're looking at. Definitely less road noise on the EC. Should get better tread life as well. At speed she feels way more planted, less shimmy, and much better turn in feel after the swap. But that's also the width change from 275 to 285 and the 285 to 305 on top of the sidewall and compound differences.

I will also say with TC level 3 in sport+ my back end is more planted than before, spinning less, but that's also a brand new tire vs some wear. But I had similar observations on my last Mustang that came with ps4s oem as well when swapping the tires.

[Dave07997S]

Get the summer Contis, just don't be a hooligan in real cold weather.

[DrewNewM2]

Never put all seasons on a performance vehicle. It’s disrespectful to the car and engineers lol. I haven’t yet purchased performance winters for my M2 so it’s garaged for winter with a local spin if it gets into the 40s on Long Island. On other performance cars summers go on Tax Day and Speed rated performance winters(not dedicated snow tires) go on Thanksgiving. This way you’re running the ideal tires for the conditions always, limiting wear due to conditions and also alternating sets of tires. Can you get by on all seasons? Of course. But there’s a reason why performance cars come with performance summer tires and my wife’s A4 has all seasons.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by HeatJoey

Got my dws06’s on today and I live in miami so there’s my vote it’s real simple .

I just had these put on Monday as well. I also have MPSAS4 on my wife's X3MC, oh no I went with the AS because my driving is 90%+ sustained higher-speed interstate (500 mi/week) with another 100 mi of in-town (30-55 mph) commuting per week. We do get cold spells down here (currently under a winter storm watch this week), and I wanted longer tread life because I have 4 different vehicles that seem to all need tires around the same time.

I've had a lot of experience with Continental & Michelin tires on a number of different vehicles. The Contis always perform as well as or better than the Michelins, they tend to last longer, and cost less. I'm receiving a $200 credit on my wife's rear tires because they only lasted 16k mi even though they have a 45k (22.5k if staggered) tread warranty.

The OE Michelins lasted 18k mi on my M2. I went with stock sizes on my M2 & have 15mm spacers f&r. Re: " never put AS tires on a performance car..." the C8 Corvette has OE all-season tire options, so I think our M2s will be ok with them.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by LeggoRacing

Do you by chance have a pic of how the 295 looks on the wheel? I did 285 to match stock and it looks crazy stretched

Here are 295/30/20 Yokohama V107 on my car

[brianeck]

If you have another car to drive in the winter entirely, summers beat all seasons for all 3 non winter seasons.

Just keep in mind if you have an early or late cold spell that tooling around under 45 degrees will change the dynamics of your tires. Under 30 - drive the other car.

There is no argument anywhere that an all season tire is going to perform better than a summer performance tire.

[laughMan]

I was in a similar situation as the OP. I am in Boston, and couldn't resist bringing the car out in this snowless winter.

I just picked up some Michelin PS All Season 4 last week and it is awesome.
It was very cold, just 10F at night and around 20F in the day, and I can tell you the OE summer tire wasn't safe at all!

The Michelin PSAS4 may not have the ultimate grip compare to the summer tire at 60F+, but it is enough to provide some confident for spirit driving at 10F-20F. Just don't go crazy when snow and ice on the ground.

I would not get snow tires for M2, since I am won't take the car out with snow on the ground. So All season performance tire is perfect for me!

[xtougher]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I just had these put on Monday as well. I also have MPSAS4 on my wife's X3MC, oh no I went with the AS because my driving is 90%+ sustained higher-speed interstate (500 mi/week) with another 100 mi of in-town (30-55 mph) commuting per week. We do get cold spells down here (currently under a winter storm watch this week), and I wanted longer tread life because I have 4 different vehicles that seem to all need tires around the same time.

I've had a lot of experience with Continental & Michelin tires on a number of different vehicles. The Contis always perform as well as or better than the Michelins, they tend to last longer, and cost less. I'm receiving a $200 credit on my wife's rear tires because they only lasted 16k mi even though they have a 45k (22.5k if staggered) tread warranty.

The OE Michelins lasted 18k mi on my M2. I went with stock sizes on my M2 & have 15mm spacers f&r. Re: " never put AS tires on a performance car..." the C8 Corvette has OE all-season tire options, so I think our M2s will be ok with them.

This is interesting. My use case is a bit closer to yours, mainly because of climate (I do NOT drive nearly as much as you do!).

It gets cold enough where I am, but it's a bit up & down and not many "total" cold (under 40 degree) days, compared to many other locations. If it's cold and dry, I'm driving. If it's cold and there's precipitation, likely not going out anyway.

But I daily drive my car, and do not have another car to drive when it is cold if I need to be on the road.

So with that being said, is it enough of a reason to go with AS tires? Or should summer tired be alright?

I have the Michelins that came with my car, and I've driven it a bit while temps were near 30 degrees. I did not drive when it was worse than that, but schedule didn't require it.

It's an intriguing question because I'm also technically not pushing the limits or anything while I drive like some others in this forum either.

If it's similar to the Michelins (likely will not get the star tires for the rear, as I will "upsize") is it worth changing if it costs a bit less?

If I stick with the Michelins, I will have that star in front and not in the rear.

If I go with Conti's, need to consider the sport 02's vs the all seasons.

Sorry for the rambling, as I'm sort of thinking out loud.

Any thoughts are helpful.

[ScottyRyan2019]

I think the point many people miss is that it's not simply a traction issue with using summer performance tires in the winter, but that you can actually do damage to the tires as that soft and sticky tire compound in warmer weather becomes hard and brittle when it gets cold which can cause damage to the tire.

Winter tires are designed to stay soft and pliable during cold weather ( which is why they wear out faster in the warm weather ) and AS tires are a cross between the two.