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      03-17-2014, 04:10 PM   #1
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"Super Sedan" Showdown - M5 CP, E63-S, RS7, XFR-S, Panamera Turbo

Road & Track conducted a "super sedan" showdown with the BMW M5 Competition Package, Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG-S (4MATIC), Audi RS7, Jaguar XFR-S, and Porsche Panamera Turbo.

The M5 (0-60 in 3.8 seconds; 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 122.3 mph) just edged out the E63 (0-60 in 3.2 seconds; 1/4 mile in 11.5 @ 123.1) by 2 points.

The M5 and E63 finished 1 and 2, respectively.

Some amazing acceleration numbers for heavy luxury sedans. Hell, the E63-S is 6 tenths away from being 10-second car, stock.

Results:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada...roMarkup-1.pdf

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http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roada..._Comparo-2.pdf

Review:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...n-65-7-roa0314
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Some amazing acceleration numbers for heavy luxury sedans. Hell, the E63-S is 6 tenths away from being 10-second car, stock.

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Yeah but you know many people that buy these cars to drag race in . Once again BMW wins cause its well rounder. Where Mercedes is alway more Luxurious and has a bigger engine.
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Yeah but you know many people that buy these cars to drag race in . Once again BMW wins cause its well rounder. Where Mercedes is alway more Luxurious and has a bigger engine.
Haha the majority of the people that buy these cars will only use them as daily drivers. The vast majority of daily driving is done in a straight line.

You don't buy a 4,000 lb+ luxury sedan as a dedicated track/road course car either.

The M5 didn't necessarily clobber the E63, winning by 2 points . . .
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The cars are so close in this segment. They all are perfect performance saloons. For daily driving, I would choose one of the awd options.

Oh and the RS7 deserved a 5 for interior. Sat in one the other day, the interior is absolute perfection.
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Yeah but you know many people that buy these cars to drag race in . Once again BMW wins cause its well rounder. Where Mercedes is alway more Luxurious and has a bigger engine.
Did you read the article? The E63 was praised for its predictable neutral handling whereas the M5 was diffucult to control. They couldn't keep up with the E63 on a backroad in the M5 because the M5 wouldn't stop going sideways. They weren't overly fond of the over sprung and under dampened suspension on the M5.
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Haha the majority of the people that buy these cars will only use them as daily drivers. The vast majority of daily driving is done in a straight line.

You don't buy a 4,000 lb+ luxury sedan as a dedicated track/road course car either.

The M5 didn't necessarily clobber the E63, winning by 2 points . . .
But it still won
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Did you read the article? The E63 was praised for its predictable neutral handling whereas the M5 was diffucult to control. They couldn't keep up with the E63 on a backroad in the M5 because the M5 wouldn't stop going sideways. They weren't overly fond of the over sprung and under dampened suspension on the M5.
+1

Don't give me wrong, I love both, but I always give credit where credit is due.

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But it still won
I don't get it.

They said the E63 was the better handling car, for several reasons.

It was also faster in a straight line.

I can understand (especially by now) that you prefer BMW but I think you underestimate how good the competition is getting, especially from Affalterbach.
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The M5 should win on looks alone. It is a seriously gorgeous car. Too bad I'll never own one... :'(
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the new e63 is quite attractive as well imo.
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Yeah but you know many people that buy these cars to drag race in . Once again BMW wins cause its well rounder. Where Mercedes is alway more Luxurious and has a bigger engine.
Me lol I've got tons of videos if you want to see I'm faster than everything but FULLY BUILT cars that can reach 700+ and weigh 1000s less.
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Have to say, the M5 is the only one that looks good out of the bunch
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Not sure why they didn't use the Pan Turbo S… its bested the M5 in all other comparos and embarrasses anything M on the track let alone the others.
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Not sure why they didn't use the Pan Turbo S… its bested the M5 in all other comparos and embarrasses anything M on the track let alone the others.
Probably because it costs $180,000 (before you start adding typical Porsche options like a steering wheel and electric seats ).

Not that the others are cheap, but they are below that range by about $40-50,000.
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