[josephr25]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

I wonder if anyone will ever get around to doing that?

CTS-V does give you a nice V8 and a manual transmission.

[OBI_agent]

Originally Posted by rs6655

Did you even look at the pic you were posting??? All I see is a pretty blonde smiling while putting clothes on a Mannequin aka dummy with boobs. Kind of freaky but its ok as the blonde is quite hot

Ontopic, that merc you posted is very popular over here as I assume it must be reliable and cheap to repair. Love the straight 6 exhaust note.

[NFS13]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

C63 powerplant in the M3 = perfect car.

Exactly!

[CAPSGOD]

Originally Posted by OBI_agent

Did you even look at the pic you were posting??? All I see is a pretty blonde smiling while putting clothes on a Mannequin aka dummy with boobs. Kind of freaky but its ok as the blonde is quite hot

That was an official picture by Mercedes

[miktrebla09]

Take it for what it's worth, but I've owned 3 bmws (e46 323i, E53 X5, e46 M3) and had to visit the dealership an aggregate 7 times due to engine issues (2 pretty serious, 1 potentially life threatening) .

My wife's owned 3 mercs (W203 C320, W211 E55, W212 E350) and never once took had to visit the stealer due to engine issues.


The fun factor is subjective.

[OBI_agent]

Originally Posted by CAPSGOD

That was an official picture by Mercedes

Lol....bad advertising.

[wayman519]

Originally Posted by CAPSGOD

I would say best engine from BMW is ///M 5.0L V10. Best engine from Mercedes is 6.2L AMG V8. Tough choice.

NOPE

BMW ///M V12 - McLaren F1

Best Engine Ever.

[MalibuBimmer]

I had the V-10. It was a lovely free-revving engine. But its torque was puny, which is true of smaller capacity engines. With normal aspiration the torque on a 5 liter is around 390 plus or minus a few pound feet. (I also had a normally aspirated 5 liter CL55 AMG Merc which also had the same torque.)

[Sedoy]

New Mercedes petrol inline-6 M256 with BorgWarner electric auxiliary compressor and 48-Volt integrated starter generator (+20 eHp) is a masterpiece engine. I would consider it better than current BMW I-6 engines:

Mercedes-Benz has developed a new six-cylinder in-line petrol engine that has for the first time been systematically designed for electrification. New, intelligent turbocharging, e.g. with an electric auxiliary compressor (eZV), as well as an Integrated Starter-Alternator (ISG) provide the guarantee of excellent drivability with no turbo lag. ISG is responsible for hybrid functions, such as boost or energy recovery, while allowing fuel savings that were previously reserved for high-voltage hybrid technology. The bottom line is that the new six-cylinder in-line engine offers the same performance as an eight-cylinder machine while being much more fuel-efficient. The new petrol engine (internal code: M 256) launches next year in the new S-Class.

The six-cylinder in-line engine features systematic electrification. For example, there is no belt drive for ancillary components at the front of the engine, which reduces its overall length. The narrow construction, together with the physical separation of intake/exhaust, creates space for near-engine exhaust aftertreatment. At 500 cc, the new engine has the same displacement per cylinder as the premium diesel engine family unveiled last year as well as the family of four-cylinder petrol engines. An additional bonus is the unsurpassed refinement of the six-cylinder in-line engine.

The output and torque of the new six-cylinder in-line engine are similar to the current eight-cylinder machine, i.e. over 300 kW (408 hp) and more than 500 Nm. In comparison with the previous V6, the CO2 emissions from the engine have been reduced by around 15 percent.

Its performance is as dynamic as that of a V8, as the new six-cylinder in-line engine comes with an especially intelligent form of turbocharging: assisted by the ISG at start-off, the electric auxiliary compressor (eZV) guarantees immediate high torque when driving off and accelerating, bridging the time before the large exhaust turbocharger cuts in. The electric turbocharger accelerates to 70,000 rpm within 300 milliseconds, ensuring an extremely spontaneous reaction from the engine. The result is a dynamic engine response with no turbo lag.

The M 256 is the first member of a new family of premium petrol engines that have for the first time been systematically designed for electrification from the outset. The 48 V electrical system serves not only high power consumers, such as the water pump and air-conditioning compressor, but also the Integrated Starter-Alternator (ISG), which also supplies energy to the battery by means of highly efficient energy recovery. The ISG dispenses with the need for a belt drive for these components. This not only reduces the overall length of the engine and its complexity, but also paves the way for new, efficient control possibilities. The still existing 12 V system supplies power to consumers such as lights, cockpit, infotainment and control units.

The ISG is a key component of the 48 V system and not only serves as an alternator, but is also responsible for hybrid functions. This allows fuel savings that were previously reserved for high-voltage hybrid technology. For the first time, the ISG is also responsible for idle speed control. The hybrid functions include:

Boost: 15 kW/220 N
Energy recovery
Shifting of the load point: the engine can be operated in a more favourable area of the engine map; load increase/reduction depending on the state of charge of the battery
Coasting
3S start: almost imperceptible reinstatement of the engine
Another feature of the new family of premium petrol engines is near-engine exhaust aftertreatment. The as-standard particulate filter is the only part of the exhaust system that is under the floor. The M 256 is produced at the Untertürkheim plant.

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

C63 powerplant in the M3 = perfect car.

Manual transmission. Perfect.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by wisesoul

I think it is subjective. Up to debate because each engine has unique/distinct qualities that will appeal to different people. There is no definitive better engine maker.

^^This!

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by jasonlu

today my friend argued me that Mercede has the best engine.
Bmw is good at car handling and fun to drive. what do you guys think?

Basing off of F1...they do...

[scoobysaurus]

Originally Posted by wayman519

NOPE

BMW ///M V12 - McLaren F1

Best Engine Ever.

NOPE. Call me crazy but I'd still pick the S85 over that.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

Wrong. A $1500 tune will net you more than 100bhp for a C63. So many generalizations on this board.

because people are trying to give a simple answer to a not so simple question.

[Red Bread]

Outside of performance engines, and before MB gets back into straight sixes, BMW has better four and six cylinder motors and ZF transmissions are better than MB. Comparing the M to AMG motors is a little trickier and the dry clutch AMG transmission is pretty competitive to DCT.

But for me, personally, as long as BMW offers manuals and MB doesn't, there's really no MB that even hits my radar.

[Housekeeping]

I've had three Mercedes, two AMG's last one an E55 with nearly 600hp and 600 somethingoranother trq. Forget now. But I prefer AMG engines, something solid about them and the sound is preferred imho. Put and AMG engine in a BMW with Audi interior.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by CAPSGOD

I would say best engine from BMW is ///M 5.0L V10. Best engine from Mercedes is 6.2L AMG V8. Tough choice.

Actually, the best engine for BMW is the N20, hands down. I know because that's the engine I have in my car. It's the best. Trust me. 4 cylinders is all you need. All the rest are extra. More parts to break, heavier, less fuel efficient, more expensive;
just a waste really.

I get in my 328 with my N20 and it just roars when I fire it up. Truly awesome, believe me. I've heard that the N20 sounds like a diesel if you are standing on the outside, but I don't care since I'm on the inside.

Sorry, I just woke up from my dream. What was the question?