Where are all the Alfa Romeo Giulias?

KenB925 · 01-02-2018, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Viffermike

Everyone: Keep in mind that the Alfa dealership network is still fairly limited. That's one reason they're still fairly rare. (The one here in Dallas is in a former Subaru dealership that's aged and, rumor has it, semi-cursed.) But another reason is that I don't think the 'average' consumer realizes Alfa is back in the U.S. with what are now multiple models -- and if that consumer does know, they likely have one of two mindsets:

- They aren't familiar with the product offerings because of past history, and/or
- They aren't considering Alfas because of that same past history.

It will take years for Alfa to overcome that stereotype -- and the Giulia reliability rumors are the worst possible thing that could have happened to Alfa's U.S. at this stage.

+1

I would get the Alfa over the M3 right now, and I considered doing that...but the ZL1 spoke to me...actually it shouted at me!

BEM-S4 · 01-02-2018, 07:42 PM

While it makes no rational sense I do think there are some die hard old school Alfa guys who take a perverse pleasure in the challenges of ownership. One of those if it were easy anyone would do it, the hard is what makes it great kind of thing.

Not that you'd want your brand new $80k Quadripleggio laid up all the time.

roastbeef · 01-02-2018, 08:34 PM

they are all in the shop.

JTO24 · 01-03-2018, 10:15 AM

I've seen two regular Guilias around; one white and one modded silver one. I thought the silver was a QV until I saw the exhaust. It had a matte black hood and the QV wheels. It looked great in person.

Haven't seen a real QV yet but I have just recently spotted my first Stelvio... meh.

Viffermike · 01-03-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JTO24

I thought the silver was a QV until I saw the exhaust. It had a matte black hood and the QV wheels. It looked great in person.

Haven't seen a real QV yet ...

Just curious: Where are you and others getting 'QV' from? It's a Quadrifoglio. No 'v' in that word at all ... and its translation ('four-leaf', with the 'clover' implied) really doesn't work, either ... ?

GuidoK · 01-03-2018, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Viffermike

Just curious: Where are you and others getting 'QV' from?

Alfa Romeo themselves call it that

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It's a Quadrifoglio. No 'v' in that word at all ... a

QV isnt an abbreviation of Quadrifoglio

Viffermike · 01-03-2018, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

Alfa Romeo themselves call it that

QV isnt an abbreviation of Quadrifoglio

I'd still like an explanation of it. Seriously. I'm asking because I don't know.

... aaah: found it. The 'V' is for 'Verde': green. So the translation is 'four-leaf green'. Meh.

JTO24 · 01-03-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Viffermike

I'd still like an explanation of it. Seriously. I'm asking because I don't know.

... aaah: found it. The 'V' is for 'Verde': green. So the translation is 'four-leaf green'. Meh.

This

GuidoK · 01-03-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Viffermike

... aaah: found it. The 'V' is for 'Verde': green. So the translation is 'four-leaf green'. Meh.

Yes its Quadrifoglio Verde.
Has to do with some old preww racing and crashing etc.

In the 80's/90's they also had the QO versions, from Quadrifoglio Oro, or four leaf gold. They used that for luxury models (and qv for performance models obviously). But thats more for the Alfisti

Those models had indeed a golden 4 leaf cloaver badge.
A collegue of mine used to drive an alfa 90 with the 2.5 busso and an QO badge. Pretty rare car. Sadly he didnt have the famous suitcase.

Arcades · 01-03-2018, 04:04 PM

I know about 3 in my area, one is a Giulia Ti, the other one is a base Giulia. One red, one white are the ones I see while the Black Giulia is probably not directly in where I live.

I been to the Alfa Romeo dealership many times as it is under my consideration. These cars do not sell very well. There are about 100 or so Giulia's sitting around at the dealership it shares with Maserati and Bentley. In fact the Bentley and Maserati sells faster so that kinda gives you an idea of how many people in my area really cares.

Their lease "deals" are at an odd 27 months for whatever reason and the last time I checked, for 27 months lease, you are expecting a 55% residual already. For 2 years and 3 months, that is how hard the car takes a hit in such a short time. 10k miles is what I asked, they also ask for a deposit that covers the first month's payment, acquisition title and drive off etc.

Edit: I'm not going to bash the car as the reason why I want to try my hand at leasing is because I wanted to drive one to see if I can live with it. My problem is how bad the residual is. Of course that can change month to month and the # I was given behind the official numbers was better but for whatever reason I don't trust Alfa Romeo much at the moment.

Also, I live in an area where Porsche, Benz, BMW are more in numbers than a Honda and Toyota. We have a lot of rich dudes around here and if they aren't buying cars like Alfa, that shows you how much they actually care.

RickFLM4 · 01-03-2018, 05:02 PM

I saw a red QV today - first one I’ve seen in person. Nice looking car but I liked it better in pictures and videos for some reason.

BEM-S4 · 01-05-2018, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Viffermike

I'd still like an explanation of it. Seriously. I'm asking because I don't know.

... aaah: found it. The 'V' is for 'Verde': green. So the translation is 'four-leaf green'. Meh.

Not nearly as good as the other Italians with their "red heads."

overcoil · 01-05-2018, 02:24 PM

Bloomie on Alfa https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...erica-and-wins

Red Bread · 01-05-2018, 02:28 PM

Funny, just saw my first Stelvio.

tjswarbrick · 01-05-2018, 02:33 PM

I've seen precisely one on the road so far.
And I live in an area where every third car is either BMW or Tesla, with McLaren sightings several times a week.

I'd speculate it's because there's no mainsteam engine option - either icky (though perfectly adequate) base 4, or insane turbo 6 for big $$$. I'd expect to see more if there were a nice midline turbo 6 option (~350HP 3.0 or so) for maybe a $3-5k jump from the base model.
But then, people may just be staying away based on reputation. They've never been known for reliability.

BEM-S4 · 01-05-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tjswarbrick

I've seen precisely one on the road so far.
And I live in an area where every third car is either BMW or Tesla, with McLaren sightings several times a week.

I'd speculate it's because there's no mainsteam engine option - either icky (though perfectly adequate) base 4, or insane turbo 6 for big $$$. I'd expect to see more if there were a nice midline turbo 6 option (~350HP 3.0 or so) for maybe a $3-5k jump from the base model.
But then, people may just be staying away based on reputation. They've never been known for reliability.

I believe another engine option is in the works to compete directly with the C43s and 340s of the world.

ShocknAwe · 01-06-2018, 07:01 PM

Would probably have gotten one if they had brought the manual QV to the states. But they didn't. So I didn't even bother test driving one. Their loss I guess?

GuidoK · 01-06-2018, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Their loss I guess?

What did you suspect..

This is Alfa, somewhere in the chain a huge management fuckup has to be made

ShocknAwe · 01-07-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

What did you suspect..

This is Alfa, somewhere in the chain a huge management fuckup has to be made

Definitely not wrong there... Would love to add an Alfa to my garage history, but no! That said, saw a Fiat 124 the other day in white and it looked excellent! Too bad its not a real spider, not that the miata is bad, but still.

P1 · 01-08-2018, 03:10 PM

One of my best friends is the GM for the local Fiat/Alfa dealership. I see them WAY too much...

P1 · 01-08-2018, 03:10 PM

One of my best friends is the GM for the local Fiat/Alfa dealership. I see them WAY too much...

The Alfas are actually selling really well.

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