[DETRoadster]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Isn't that the point of creatine increase intracellular water as well as boost in strength and endurance due to its effect on ATP production. Makes me bit fuller, bit stronger still vascular.

Originally Posted by G35POPPEDMYCHERRY

you are spot on. what happens more often than not, is people tend not to be honest with themselves and stop lifting and get into poor habits. You shouldn't even think creatine unless your going 110% and you need a little more to up your max. What often happens is people quit or are just lazy and all that water just gets stuck there and your arms start to inflate in a non-flattering manner.

Have you guys tried CoQ10 as an alternate means of increasing ATP production, without the potential drawbacks of creatine?

[1MOREMOD]

I have not

[PoorLurker]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

How can getting what your body needs to grow more easily be a detriment?

but science (posts above) show that you can get more gains without supplements.

Before I go to the gym, I eat like 24 cups of watermelon to make sure I get my 5g of citrulline to help with NO and pumps.

[yco]

yes it is.. and makes difference.. just dont go with hormonal to keep things healthier..

[Afam28]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

its necessary if your daily diet doesnt get you everything you need.

there is also the "placebo" affect, as i call it, not true placebo, where if im spending money on supplements, im definitely getting my ass to the gym to work out so i dont waste that money, and think its working, but its probably just the extra motivation working.

Agree with this...

[Webby12]

Pre workouts and protein shakes.

[Delta0311]

Been at this since I was 21 and I'm damn near 40. Majority of the supplements are garbage. The only thing I personally take is protein from MyProtein.

Best pre-workout is a cup of coffee; or just add a teaspoon of instant coffee to your pre-workout shake.. If you are dragging ass before all your workouts then your diet sucks and you are probably not getting enough rest.

Best supplement you can spend your money on is NUTRITIOUS food. That is what will get you the gains you want. The only other thing that will absolutely, positively put meat on your frame is anabolic steroids. The rest of the shit out there is pretty much just money down the drain.

[Speedwell-Industries]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Been at this since I was 21 and I'm damn near 40. Majority of the supplements are garbage. The only thing I personally take is protein from MyProtein.

Best pre-workout is a cup of coffee; or just add a teaspoon of instant coffee to your pre-workout shake.. If you are dragging ass before all your workouts then your diet sucks and you are probably not getting enough rest.

Best supplement you can spend your money on is NUTRITIOUS food. That is what will get you the gains you want. The only other thing that will absolutely, positively put meat on your frame is anabolic steroids. The rest of the shit out there is pretty much just money down the drain.

Wow, since 21? I'm still 21.

Thank you for the advice !

[1MOREMOD]

Yep gets harder as you approach 50 but cant quit now

[TRUE2THEBLUE]

my favorite clinically proven beneficial supplements are multivitamin, creatine, and fish oil followed up with 6 month dexa scans

[Bt12]

Originally Posted by Webby12

Pre workouts and protein shakes.

Pre?

[Speedwell-Industries]

Originally Posted by Bt12

Pre?

I think they were referring to "Pre-workout"

[roastbeef]

supplements aren't necessary, but getting bigger isn't necessary either.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

supplements aren't necessary, but getting bigger isn't necessary either.

No, no swoleness is 100% necessary..........bro.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Been at this since I was 21 and I'm damn near 40. Majority of the supplements are garbage. The only thing I personally take is protein from MyProtein.

Best pre-workout is a cup of coffee; or just add a teaspoon of instant coffee to your pre-workout shake.. If you are dragging ass before all your workouts then your diet sucks and you are probably not getting enough rest.

Best supplement you can spend your money on is NUTRITIOUS food. That is what will get you the gains you want. The only other thing that will absolutely, positively put meat on your frame is anabolic steroids. The rest of the shit out there is pretty much just money down the drain.

nonsense. there are a few good things that are worth the money. use something with some caffeine in it, add phosphatidic acid, 2:1 citruline malate, and argonine. glutamine after with protein.
none of these replace eating correctly, but they do make a large difference.

[Sea-Tac]

The typical western diet high in fats, carbs and sugar doesn't provide all the necessary/essential nutrients for sustained good health. Supplements are needed I believe.

[The Wind Breezes]

I think I posted in this thread earlier but unless you want to get into stuff that's both dangerous and illegal the best you can do is good nutrition and hard, hard work.

With that said, steroids, insulin, growth hormone, EPO, peptides like GW501516 all do work. But don't do the last one, you might get cancer. The rest will kill you in more germane ways.

[chris82]

Originally Posted by PoorLurker

Anyone find a supplement that makes you buff with just doing cardio like walking?

asking for a friend

This is amazing