[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Reckless mate ? Well , actually I couldn't agree more !

My friend..'SingalongaMax!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

My friend..'SingalongaMax!

Yeah my friend , actually It's pretty simple ..
#bigteeth just walked , to avoid the complete humiliation by MAX !
That wouldn't be shiny for his market value , that's why he walked to Renault while they still waved with the big dollars ...

But as a driver it turned out in one of his biggest disappointments ever ..
He took the money contract with his well known smile , but during the whole season he was nowhere and out of the sight .......................................

RIC at McLaren ?
That's the above in repeat ...

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah my friend , actually It's pretty simple ..
#bigteeth just walked , to avoid the complete humiliation by MAX !
That wouldn't be shiny for his market value , that's why he walked to Renault while they still waved with the big dollars ...

But as a driver turned out in one of his biggest disappointments ever ..
He took the money contract with he's well known smile , but during the whole season he was nowhere and out of the sight .......................................

RIC at McLaren ?
That's the above in repeat ...

A lot of speculation that both the chassis that earned third place last year, and his talent, will run short of good results.

5th place, while not great, is also not unseen. Top quartile.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

A lot of speculation that both the chassis that earned third place last year, and his talent, will run short of good results.

5th place, while not great, is also not unseen. Top quartile.

I partly agree with your statement . I heard the '20 Renault PU pushed over 1000 HP , just like the Merc's they ran a great pace on the straights ...

As for RIC we/I know he can be really fast , I saw him on the podium at the '20 Eifel Grand Prix with his 3th place .
That's pretty much is it , in his last 2 years as one of the top drivers of the field !

And personal I don't believe in McLaren in the new season ..But I do see a new pink Mercedes in the McLaren ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah my friend , actually It's pretty simple ..
#bigteeth just walked , to avoid the complete humiliation by MAX !
That wouldn't be shiny for his market value , that's why he walked to Renault while they still waved with the big dollars ...

But as a driver it turned out in one of his biggest disappointments ever ..
He took the money contract with his well known smile , but during the whole season he was nowhere and out of the sight .......................................

RIC at McLaren ?
That's the above in repeat ...

Teeth at McL will be one singalonga disaster again,he'll have to improve his dance routine to cover up the lousy driving

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Teeth at McL will be one singalonga disaster again,he'll have to improve his dance routine to cover up the lousy driving

Indeed my friend , on the other hand :
Danny Ric has been absolutely loving life since joining McLaren !
Hopefully soon on the F1 track as well , but that ? That's very doubtful !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Indeed my friend , on the other hand :
Danny Ric has been absolutely loving life since joining McLaren !
Hopefully soon on the F1 track as well , but that ? That's very doubtful !

He'll enjoy the loaned McL road car at least.

[Bartledoo]

You guys are crazy to hate on Ric that hard, and Max would never humiliate him. It's not like Max didn't have enough time to humiliate him. Almost three full seasons...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

You guys are crazy to hate on Ric that hard, and Max would never humiliate him. It's not like Max didn't have enough time to humiliate him. Almost three full seasons...

Negative mate . We don't hate RIC . It's just speculation from what could come for him at McLaren .

In RIC's last season at RB , he was nowhere and beaten by MAX . He walked on time !
Let us not forget that RIC knew the Red bull car thoroughly !
While MAX was just a rookie kid from 17-18 year old ..MAX was the youngest F1 driver ever , with his 17 years and 3 days old .
But he won his first race very quickly anyway , and was only 18 . And MAX was and still is the youngest F1 race winner ever in the F1 history !
Unseen !

Well mate .I'm pretty sure things are changed now ...
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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

You guys are crazy to hate on Ric that hard, and Max would never humiliate him. It's not like Max didn't have enough time to humiliate him. Almost three full seasons...

Not dislike come on but looking at it in the cold light of day he wasn't all he was cracked up to be in the 1000hp Renault with only a sporadic podium appearance.

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Negative mate . We don't hate RIC . It's just speculation from what could come for him at McLaren .

In RIC's last season at RB , he was nowhere and beaten by MAX . He walked on time !
Let us not forget that RIC knew the Red bull car thoroughly !
While MAX was just a rookie kid from 17-18 year old ..MAX was the youngest F1 driver ever , with his 17 years and 3 days old .
But he won his first race very quickly anyway , and was only 18 . And MAX was and still is the youngest F1 race winner ever in the F1 history !
Unseen !

Well mate .I'm pretty sure things are changed now ...
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That rookie stuff doesn't apply for talent at their level, especially a few years in. The greats come into F1 fast.

Your analysis of 2018 lacks the mechanical dnf and mechanical grid penalty disparity between Ric and Ver.

Ric had 2 more poles (Ver had 0), the same number of wins, and 2 more fastest lap awards (Ver had 2), while having 4 more DNF total (8 in total for Ric!! And let's not forget one of those was from Ver crashing them both out in Azerbaijan after a series of illegal defenses, where Ric was clearly faster), and more grid penalties than Ver. Check my stats though. Could be off.

Also, Ver was favored by the team. Whether this affected Ric's chance at a fair fight...It sure seems possible.

I'm not shitting on Max either, but this forum has a way of trying to shit on everybody else to lift their "own guy" up. It's annoying. Recognize that there is other talent and these guys aren't untouchable.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Not dislike come on but looking at it in the cold light of day he wasn't all he was cracked up to be in the 1000hp Renault with only a sporadic podium appearance.

Renault was at the lower midfield prior to him joining. Look where they finished last season. He’s one man. What flawed logic to attribute Hamilton’s successes to everyone but him, yet relegate Ric to overhyped because he couldn’t beat the Merc team. I usually stay out of your childish quarrels but when I see logic about as straight as RuPaul I’m going to have to stop and comment on the funny farm. FFS people....

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Renault was at the lower midfield prior to him joining. Look where they finished last season. He’s one man. What flawed logic to attribute Hamilton’s successes to everyone but him, yet relegate Ric to overhyped because he couldn’t beat the Merc team. I usually stay out of your childish quarrels but when I see logic about as straight as RuPaul I’m going to have to stop and comment on the funny farm. FFS people....

Just looked up ruPaul lol My reasoning is that Ricci was seen as the 'way forward' by Renault at the time and would work miracles which sadly for Renault didn't transpire in spite of moving up the graph a little and it is the same logic that some HAM fans have been using on Max so it is a discussion board with likes and dislikes.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

That rookie stuff doesn't apply for talent at their level, especially a few years in. The greats come into F1 fast.

Your analysis of 2018 lacks the mechanical dnf and mechanical grid penalty disparity between Ric and Ver.

Ric had 2 more poles (Ver had 0), the same number of wins, and 2 more fastest lap awards (Ver had 2), while having 4 more DNF total (8 in total for Ric!! And let's not forget one of those was from Ver crashing them both out in Azerbaijan after a series of illegal defenses, where Ric was clearly faster), and more grid penalties than Ver. Check my stats though. Could be off.

Also, Ver was favored by the team. Whether this affected Ric's chance at a fair fight...It sure seems possible.

I'm not shitting on Max either, but this forum has a way of trying to shit on everybody else to lift their "own guy" up. It's annoying. Recognize that there is other talent and these guys aren't untouchable.

Well mate as you can see : The podium list from "RIC vs MAX"

RIC from 2014 - 2020 = In *7 years 31 podiums => 7 victories
MAX from 2016 - 2020 = In *5 years 42 podiums => 10 victories

So actually ,It's not really hard to see who the better driver was and still is...

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well mate as you can see : The podium list from "RIC vs MAX"

RIC from 2014 - 2020 = In *7 years 31 podiums => 7 victories
MAX from 2016 - 2020 = In *5 years 42 podiums => 10 victories

So actually ,It's not really hard to see who the better driver was and still is...

except you forgot your argument that its all about who has the best car.
What are the results when they were in the same car?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well mate as you can see : The podium list from "RIC vs MAX"

RIC from 2014 - 2020 = In *7 years 31 podiums => 7 victories
MAX from 2016 - 2020 = In *5 years 42 podiums => 10 victories

So actually ,It's not really hard to see who the better driver was and still is...

Looks conclusive to me across the overall scale than just in one particular car.
Max is King

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

except you forgot your argument that its all about who has the best car.
What are the results when they were in the same car?

+1 \\\M Power?? I generally agree with you about not making absolute claims of superiority of one driver over another without performance in nearly the same car. So, why are you abandoning that now? Making it seem like you think that is only appropriate when in favor of Max.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

except you forgot your argument that its all about who has the best car.
What are the results when they were in the same car?

That did we saw in their last season as teammates

Meanwhile MAX isn't a kid anymore ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

+1 \\\M Power?? I generally agree with you about not making absolute claims of superiority of one driver over another without performance in nearly the same car. So, why are you abandoning that now? Making it seem like you think that is only appropriate when in favor of Max.

In # 175 just above this one

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Looks conclusive to me across the overall scale than just in one particular car.
Max is King

That's for sure my friend !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's for sure my friend !

Ricci thought he'd do better in the Renault but that now affects his tally.

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In # 175 just above this one

Yea I posted some data on that season ('18) that you seemed to have missed or ignored.