[Dave07997S]

Wish this thing had a manual...

[MPR]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Wish this thing had a manual...

Probably just need to wait 1-2 years. I'm actually looking forward to getting this auto after driving manuals for 24 years..the commute to and from work will be nice while sitting in traffic, and the morning will be better as I will not be juggling a cup of coffee, while shifting, while avoiding bumps so my coffee doesn't spill.

I may keep my BRZ for the manual fun.

[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by MPR

Probably just need to wait 1-2 years. I'm actually looking forward to getting this auto after driving manuals for 24 years..the commute to and from work will be nice while sitting in traffic, and the morning will be better as I will not be juggling a cup of coffee, while shifting, while avoiding bumps so my coffee doesn't spill.

I may keep my BRZ for the manual fun.

I doubt a manual is coming to the Mlite. It makes sense for the hardcore on the M2 as the tick rate is high though.

After 17 years of lightweight manual driving (RSX-S) and now living in a super dense city with lots of traffic, I too look forward to a top notch auto with like 3x the torque of my 4 banger haha.

[emcee1011]

Originally Posted by EXE46

G42is too heavy for what it is, 100KG less curb weight on the G42 would have been great. Imagine that against the RS3. Anyhow, still waiting for the RWD G42 as well as the M2C to debut before making any decisions. I will not buy a G42 XI.

What's the benefit of RWD other than maybe being more fun? No way could a RWD model be light enough to become faster than an AWD. At that point since it's a rear-biased AWD system, why bother?

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I guess price is a big thing to consider. Forgot it would be probably $10k cheaper as well.

[MPR]

Best of both worlds with this AWD setup. RWD most of the time, and AWD when you need it.

[soflacarguy]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Not a fan of the new RS3. Audi had it together, back in 2013-2015 with the RS5. That was a good looking car. They had it together, back then. The new "battle of the grills" is getting out of hand. The M240 isn't the greatest looking car, but it's better than the Audi. And this video just goes to show the RS3 isn't an M3/4 competitor, it's a M lite competitor. And not even a 3/4 series, a 2 series, competitor.

Was the RS3 ever supposed to be an M3/4 competitor? Audi 3 series closer to BMW 2 series, Audi 4/5 closer to BMW 3/4.

With that being said, im also disappointed with the new 8y design - its a step down in looks inside and out from the 8v imho. The new m240 is hands down a more premium look to my eyes.

Although the Nappa is >>> Vernasca, the B&O sound is >>> HK in the m lite, and the digital cockpit in the Audi is also better, I find the m240’s interior much more appealing overall as well and I-Drive 7 is a superior infotainment system.

The 5 pot is special, but the b58 is more efficient and close enough in performance for my needs. It’s a no brainer for me.

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

The S58 doesn't suffer from turbo lag, it just has a slightly high boost threshold (around 3000rpm). Not a big problem with the ZF8, the 6MT with long ratios suffers a lot more and it is much less responsive. But once the engine revs above 3000rpm it's a beast and there's almost no trace of turbo lag.
The B58 has a lower boost threshold (around 2000 rpm) and feels stronger on first input on the throttle (just like N55 vs S55)

Not only is the progressive torque build on the S58 not an issue, it's a benefit. It's an intentional decision that improves driveability and control on corner exit. Other OEMs are doing the same (e.g., Porsche 992).

OEMs learned from their initial high performance turbo engines. Smacking full torque at 2K rpm can unsettle the car, especially with the F80's subpar traction control. BMW made same changes to the S55 later in it's lifecycle (e.g., CS models). It's less of an issue in the B58 given lower torque levels.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by emcee1011

What's the benefit of RWD other than maybe being more fun? No way could a RWD model be light enough to become faster than an AWD. At that point since it's a rear-biased AWD system, why bother?

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I guess price is a big thing to consider. Forgot it would be probably $10k cheaper as well.

I don't need a car for drag racing so RWD is preferable and I will always opt for lighter weight. The point I was making was that the XI is simply too heavy for such a small car. I see no value in the XI for my purposes.

[MPR]

I don't drag race either, but I live in the NE US, so it'll be nice to have a rear wheel biased car when it's nice out, with 4 wheels that spin when needed. Can't beat it. Why is weight such an issue?

[10"]

It's like everyone made an Audi and all that matters is automatic transmission drag racing *shrugs*

[10"]

Originally Posted by emcee1011

What's the benefit of RWD other than maybe being more fun? No way could a RWD model be light enough to become faster than an AWD. At that point since it's a rear-biased AWD system, why bother?

-edit
I guess price is a big thing to consider. Forgot it would be probably $10k cheaper as well.

Staggering to read things like this on a BMW forum. *shakes head*

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by 10"

It's like everyone made an Audi and all that matters is automatic transmission drag racing *shrugs*

It's almost as if everyone forgot the Audi RS7 of 2015 is the 2022 BMW M5... not exactly but it's virtually identical in its under pinnings.

[Jonesymx29]

There's no denying that the 240ix is hefty for being the "smallest" RWD-platform BMW. I was surprised when I read the specs the first time, since the M340/440 are only a little bit heavier.

I'm glad this AWD variant exists though, because I wouldn't want to daily-drive a RWD car in the weather we get up this way, not to mention the road quality is less than ideal for the suspension of say, an M2.

[10"]

Originally Posted by ASAP

It's almost as if everyone forgot the Audi RS7 of 2015 is the 2022 BMW M5... not exactly but it's virtually identical in its under pinnings.

exactly—-everything became an AWD Audi

[jp0319]

This is why it's almost impossible to find an M240 allocation!

[German1967]

Originally Posted by Winrya

Confirms my thinking that the m240 is an absolute bargain (and probably running more than 374bhp from the factory). Also no issues with brakes once bedded in it seems

All true. But I cannot get over that horrible design. I was banking on replacing my 2015 M235 eventually but that is not going to happen with this iteration.

[tahoebimmer]

Word on the Audi forums now puts the first RS3's in dealerships in Q4 2022. These will be fully optioned. Audi/VAG dealers in general are really aggressive with "market adjustments" so MSRP + 5-10k like the Golf R. That's going to be an expensive RS3 and will put it so far out of M240 territory it's not even really in the same ballpark.

Audi is also having production problems because their wiring harnesses are sourced from Ukraine. People with deposits in are not expecting to see their cars until 2023.

I was shopping in November 2021 and saw the writing on the wall and jumped from the RS3 idea to the M240i. I ordered a car and got it in under 6 weeks. As a comparison of how automakers are competing, BMW is clearly way ahead when comparing these 2 cars.

[TheJerseyDon]

Originally Posted by MrFoxy

The M2 will come with or have an X-Drive option all day long mate

Everyone wants a lighter car so i choice the RWD version but you are correct.

[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by emcee1011

What's the benefit of RWD other than maybe being more fun? No way could a RWD model be light enough to become faster than an AWD. At that point since it's a rear-biased AWD system, why bother?

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I guess price is a big thing to consider. Forgot it would be probably $10k cheaper as well.

The RWD G42 will be like $2-2.5K cheaper. Xdrive is not 10K...

If you live in a warm, fairly dry climate, really care about weight, and like to get the tail out a lot then RWD is the move. For the vast majority of us, AWD makes more sense though.

Does Xdelete work for the G42 yet? I wish you could turn off the AWD system like in some of the high-end M models. That would be the best of both worlds imo (just a tad heavier).