[BMWGirlFL]

Surprised/confused by absence of comment on this engine detail.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Both manual and automatic G87s have S58T. The difference is only in the choice of 2MA vs 2TB.

[Gdiddy23]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Surprised/confused by absence of comment on this engine detail.

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So both engines getting the same power but only diff is transmission selections?

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Both manual and automatic G87s have S58T. The difference is only in the choice of 2MA vs 2TB.

Originally Posted by Gdiddy23

So both engines getting the same power but only diff is transmission selections?

My understanding is same (top) performance class - different transmissions. I'm unclear about power.

[T_U_D]

I know the B58 is receiving another TU (technical update) for 2023 production so I would suspect that the S58 has one pending as well?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Gdiddy23

So both engines getting the same power but only diff is transmission selections?

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

My understanding is same (top) performance class - different transmissions. I'm unclear about power.

ynguldyn confirmed the base M2 would be getting 455hp. He did not mention any difference in power between transmissions which would suggest there isn't any.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Tag

ynguldyn confirmed the base M2 would be getting 455hp. He did not mention any difference in power between transmissions which would suggest there isn't any.

Transmissions are speced to torque not hp. I only know hp. So unless someone steps in with better info than I have, we won't know the full truth until the public intro.

[solstice]

All base M2s and M3s that has been offered with MT or auto has had the same power output for the transmission options. If the MT can handle it I can’t see why the auto would get more power? I doubt TQ will exceed that of the base M3 with MT. I.e. the info so far makes a lot of sense.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by solstice

All base M2s and M3s that has been offered with MT or auto has had the same power output for the transmission options. If the MT can handle it I can’t see why the auto would get more power? I doubt TQ will exceed that of the base M3 with MT. I.e. the info so far makes a lot of sense.

Agreed. When they detune an engine it's just the hp that drops, I've never seen the torque be different.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Transmissions are speced to torque not hp. I only know hp. So unless someone steps in with better info than I have, we won't know the full truth until the public intro.

Not that it adds anything…

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Not that it adds anything…

Appreciated! What information category is the second column from the left?

[Game]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Not that it adds anything…

Another twist to the puzzle.

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by Game

Another twist to the puzzle.

What does it even mean?

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Appreciated! What information category is the second column from the left?

Type Code. There's no 7MA Competition Package, just the individual elements one would expect. Doesn't omit the possibility of it being done as a market specific ZCP which wouldn't appear on the engineering side.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Type Code. There's no 7MA Competition Package, just the individual elements one would expect. Doesn't omit the possibility of it being done as a market specific ZCP which wouldn't appear on the engineering side.

What's my Z4 M40i type code? HF93?

[Game]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Type Code. There's no 7MA Competition Package, just the individual elements one would expect. Doesn't omit the possibility of it being done as a market specific ZCP which wouldn't appear on the engineering side.

Well we can safely say the US market wants a competition model.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

What's my Z4 M40i type code? HF93?

Correct although it will show in the VIN as HF9C.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Correct although it will show in the VIN as HF9C.

Never would've put that together. I love my VIN because it ends 00. TY!!!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

What's my Z4 M40i type code? HF93?

Digits 4-7 of the VIN. If digit 7 is C it should be replaced by 3.

Actually, let me do a longer answer since I have time.

The older type codes are in the format "letter letter digit digit". The letters are chosen arbitrarily in incremental order as new models are created. The digit in the third position is also mostly arbitrary though it used to denote manual vs automatic transmissions, in pairs: the odd digit would be for the manual model, the even digit (odd+1 or 9 -> 0) would be for the automatic. The last digit is always related to the destination market, sometimes combined with the country of manufacture: 1 is Europe and markets where European models are sold (e.g. Middle East and China fall under this group), 2 is the same but RWD countries, 3 is North America, 4-0 are Thailand, Malaysia, India, Indonesia, Russia, Brasil - either market-specific models or CKDs with final assembly in those countries. I could give you the exact list here but it's complicated and I doubt anyone would care. The only notable thing is SLP production, which is kinda special: 8 is EU LWD, 0 is EU RWD, and 9 is NA, but only if the same model is also built in Germany, otherwise it uses 1, 2, 3.

When used in a VIN, in some markets the last digit was changed to the corresponding letter (e.g. 1 would become A in the Middle East and 3 would become C in NA).

At some point the space of type codes in this format got exhausted so they used a digit instead of a letter in the first position - but not a 0 (reserved for motorcycles) or a 9 (reserved for all those random cars that use BMW technology while not being BMWs like Morgans or Fisker Karma).

Then BMW decided that having two type codes per model (manual and auto) was too wasteful - probably because so many cars lost the manual version altogether, so the 3rd position no longer encoded the transmission, and it was now strictly one code per model.

At about the same time the "dldd" format also ran out so they shuffled the positions around. The type code became "ddll". Functionally, positions 1-2 and 3-4 were swapped. These type codes are now always used in VINs without modification.

There's probably 15 years worth of space for combinations of this format remaining so what I've written here shouldn't require any updates for a long time.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Digits 4-7 of the VIN. If digit 7 is C it should be replaced by 3.

Fun to know!!

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Game

Well we can safely say the US market wants a competition model.

Fixed… Well we can safely say the US market wants a *manual* competition model.



Edit: Just saw this - Big Screens Going Out Of Style According To BMW And Polestar: https://www.carscoops.com/2022/05/bi...box=1652247298

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Game

Well we can safely say the US market wants a competition model.

BMW GB is only selling Competition versions of the M3, M4, M5, M8, X3M, X4M, X5M and X6M in the UK.

So the M2 is going to be the black sheep?

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Fixed… Well we can safely say the US market wants a *manual* competition model.



Edit: Just saw this - Big Screens Going Out Of Style According To BMW And Polestar: https://www.carscoops.com/2022/05/bi...box=1652247298

Good, give me the F87 gauges and I'll be happy.